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Re: piezos (to DB) [message #49501 is a reply to message #49454] Sun, 21 May 2006 06:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry try this

Re: piezos (to DB) [message #49502 is a reply to message #49501] Sun, 21 May 2006 06:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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or this

Re: piezos (to DB) [message #49503 is a reply to message #49502] Sun, 21 May 2006 06:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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and these

Re: piezos (to DB) [message #49504 is a reply to message #49503] Sun, 21 May 2006 07:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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or this

Re: piezos (to DB) [message #49505 is a reply to message #49504] Sun, 21 May 2006 07:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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and this ------------sorry

Re: piezos (to DB) [message #49538 is a reply to message #49502] Mon, 29 May 2006 03:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Scary... I wouldn't be close (...much less in front of it!). Do you add the highs from the piezo to the highs of the mid-bass or do you have a band-pass xover on the mid-bass? (Do you have?) Attenuation of the piezo with a cap in series, also? Because you might have about 10dBs of a step difference there, unless you make a (xover) smooth transition. Regards

Re: (My) Dual section piezo horn [message #49539 is a reply to message #49538] Mon, 29 May 2006 05:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi,
In my pic, the series cap is 0.4uF, the parallel resistor 22Ohms for an attenuation of 5dB@20KHz and 9KHz x-over. Attention that the quartz reactance might not be the same for a Single section piezo horn.

The treble section of the pro speakers was short on highs that's why I added the piezos. Regards


Re: (My) Dual section piezo horn [message #49541 is a reply to message #49539] Mon, 29 May 2006 09:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ive just taken the x-over off the back of the "MLS" to check and what I ended up with was 0.47uf (green oblong -like a candy!) in series and 22 ohm 5% wire wound in parallel to neg rail. There are also some inductors in series with the Wharfedales and a 1 uf (green rectangle, not electrolytic)in parallel to neg rail. this is the area that needs attention I think.

Re: (My) Dual section piezo horn [message #49562 is a reply to message #49541] Sun, 04 June 2006 13:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Bill,
Sorry to be so late. I worked out a simulation for you in Spice (thanks Wayne!) for your piezo series. It gives an atten. of (about) -3dB at 20KHz and a xover frequency around 10K. You get about (with a 93dB flat-simulation- speaker output)
+/- 87dB@10KHz, 89dB@15KHz and 91dB@20KHz.

Looks good on this side (of the highs). Make shure your wire wounds are not inductive or you will end with a pretty crazy bell-shaped-curve with a peack at 95 dBs.
Regards.

Re: (My) Dual section piezo horn [message #49565 is a reply to message #49562] Sun, 04 June 2006 15:14 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Wow ,

Thats really kind of you ,I only played around with what I,d had in my rubbish (based on info about piezos ,here and elsewhere) until they sounded about right.I must wind some air cored inductors on my little lathe and chop the upper mids from the wharfedales. I think they could then be rather fine little speakers.

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