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What about those flashing lights???? [message #47729] Tue, 13 September 2005 22:17 Go to next message
Chris R. is currently offline  Chris R.
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I don't get it... I cranked up the 4-Pi's and the ports lit up. What's going on?

OK, so I know, but I still have questions. These are huge, oversized
4 Pi's (~7cu ft) with Kappa 15's and PSD2002's on Selenium horns, 10db pad
X-overs. So, these are hooked up to a mixer, CD player, and a Berhinger EP2500.
Without cranking all that loud, the lights on the X-overs are flashing. I mounted them on the back wall beind the ports,
so it lights the ports up. Its kind-a cool.
I'd expect to be able to get a LOT louder before the lights turned on. Any clues about what might be happening?
I'm reasonably sure things are wired correctly.

BTW, they sound really nice. These were made to be PA speakers so the finish is truck bed liner (Hurculiner),
so the WAF is pretty low. My wife is a good sport, so as long as I make up some grills
I get to leave them in the "music room" in the house.
I'll post pictures when I can get some decent ones.

Thx, Chris



Re: What about those flashing lights???? [message #47731 is a reply to message #47729] Wed, 14 September 2005 01:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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That's cool, Chris.

I always like seeing the insides light up too.

You might check your tweeter cable assembly, if you think the light is glowing prematurely. If you have the wrong resistance values, that might be the cause. I guess it couldn't hurt to check the other components in the tweeter circuit too.

Then again, you might be just cranking it.


Re: What about those flashing lights???? [message #47734 is a reply to message #47731] Wed, 14 September 2005 18:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris R is currently offline  Chris R
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I'll re-check a few things when I get home. For a 10dB, 8 ohm driver
pad, what are the series and parallel resistor values supposed to be?
I may have those wrong (too big). That wouldn't explain the
blinky lights, but I a little worried I whacked the X-over freq.
thx, Chris


Re: What about those flashing lights???? [message #47735 is a reply to message #47734] Wed, 14 September 2005 22:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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For a 10dB cable assembly, R1 = 16Ω, R2 = 16Ω and C1 = 10μF.


Re: What about those flashing lights???? [message #47737 is a reply to message #47735] Wed, 14 September 2005 23:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris R is currently offline  Chris R
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Humm.... I've got 16 in series, 8 in parallel. That sounds
like extra padding. I can't see the cap value 'cause of the
tape holding it to the brace. I checked the wiring and it measures
as expected, so that doesn't seem to be it. I'll try the o'scope
next to see what voltage the lights come on. Maybe I was just
crankin'...

As for the R values, don't these make the impeadance around the
X-over freq about 24 ohms and decreasing to 4 (in my case) as
freq. rises? What I'm worried about is that the X-over is
spec'ed at 1.6KHz at 8 ohms. Does the higher impedance at
the lower end skew the actual x-over freq? Seems like it would.

Overall sound is still impressive. Didn't try any other
CD's, but hooked up the Korg organ. Sounds really nice.

Thx, Chris



Re: What about those flashing lights???? [message #47738 is a reply to message #47737] Thu, 15 September 2005 04:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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The increased resistance placed across the crossover does two things. It shifts the crossover frequency slightly, making the crossover assymetrical. And it makes the circuit slightly underdamped at the crossover frequency, making a plateau for the first octave.

If resistance is too high, the circuit will be underdamped too much. It might even be so much that resonance in components L1 and C2 might drop circuit impedance quite low around 2.3kHz. That would increase current flow in the tweeter circuit and may cause the protection bulb to light earlier than expected.


Re: What about those flashing lights???? [message #47739 is a reply to message #47738] Fri, 16 September 2005 20:24 Go to previous message
Chris R. is currently offline  Chris R.
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Well, I hung my scope on the outputs of the x-over and cranked it
up again. Nothing too noteworthy, so I cranked the amp full on,
plopped in Yes, Big Generator and let 'er rip. Once really going,
I checked the lights and the clip indicators, and both seemed to
come on at about the same level. On the scope, things were dancing
2-3 divisions at 20v per, so I guess they are wired properly.
My conclusion is that the clip lights and the x-over lights should
be kept dark. Also, that loud and clean don't seem nearly as loud
as crappy and loud. Nice work, Wayne! Thanks for putting
up with us.

Chris

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