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Thiel-Small Parameter Search [message #47630] Thu, 01 September 2005 07:15 Go to next message
Spinjack is currently offline  Spinjack
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I have two Radio Shack 40-1034 drivers that I'd like to use to build a subwoofer but I'm not having any luck finding the T-S parameters for it. Any suggestions on where to look?

Also, any hints as to how make these sound good? I've read that they can be a bit sloppy. I don't need them to be "audiophile" quality since they will be used in a furnished breezeway to supplement some homemade bookshelf speakers that the 7pi's will be replacing.

My plan is to go the Isobaric (sp?) route and I thought about matching them to one of those subwoofer amps available from Parts Express (either that or an older NAD amp I bought on eBay). I don't want to go horn because of size contraints, but I though about a tower configuration to minimize footprint if the required box volume was too high.

Any thoughts?

Re: Thiel-Small Parameter Search [message #47631 is a reply to message #47630] Thu, 01 September 2005 07:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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You probably already know about this website but just in case, did you check ThieleSmall.com?


Re: Thiel-Small Parameter Search [message #47632 is a reply to message #47631] Thu, 01 September 2005 08:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Actually, I didn't know about it. I had been using Google with little success. Thanks for the link.

Nothing [message #47633 is a reply to message #47631] Thu, 01 September 2005 10:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There doesn't appear to be any info about RatShack drivers on the T-S site. Any other suggestions?

Re: Nothing [message #47635 is a reply to message #47633] Thu, 01 September 2005 11:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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you could try to find out who made them for R.S.- may be a clue in a part # or something, then look up equivalent model. Fostex made some of their smaller full-range speakers.

Re: Nothing [message #47636 is a reply to message #47635] Thu, 01 September 2005 11:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I thought of that, I'll have to take a close look at any labelling on the drivers.

Re: Nothing [message #47643 is a reply to message #47636] Thu, 01 September 2005 16:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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You could also have a go at measuring the T/S parameters. You don't need specializd test equipment and can obtain reasonably good data with your PC (as a signal generator) and a good DVM. See the post called "T/S Measurements" for a write up on this process.
Re: Nothing [message #47647 is a reply to message #47643] Fri, 02 September 2005 07:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah, that was the direction I was going to go. I'm not sure how I will do Vas, though. I'm not sure I want to build an extra enclosure. If I did build it, I'd want to do it such that I can mount anything from a 6.5" up to an 18" driver.

Can you recommend some signal generation software for the PC? I don't have an oscilloscope, so I'll be restricted to an RMS DMM, but from the research I've done it appears that I should be able to get pretty close.

Re: Nothing [message #47648 is a reply to message #47647] Fri, 02 September 2005 07:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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I forgot where I got my signal generator, but I'll E-Mail it to you if you like. You can probably search the internet and find several.


Re: Thiel-Small Parameter Search [message #47653 is a reply to message #47630] Fri, 02 September 2005 22:29 Go to previous message
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Greets!

These are car audio 'IB' sub drivers so OB, very large sealed, or aperiodic is best, with the latter yielding the highest SQ. It's specs are ideal for a 'classic' stuffed TQWT and going isobaric will keep the line's CSA reasonable, so 12" square (inside dims) should work fine and a ~93.63" pathlength will tune it to ~30 Hz if stuffed along its length with ~48 oz of R-19 fiberglass. The beauty of this design is that the specs can be off quite a bit and still perform well by adjusting the amount of stuffing.

Catalog specs:

Fs = 30 Hz
Vas = 6.83 ft^3
Qts = 1.04
Pe (RMS/max) = 75/150 W
sens = 88dB/W/m (+/- 2 dB)
nominal 8 ohms

GM


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