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Re: Woofer cooling device - Destructive test [message #47596 is a reply to message #47595] Sat, 27 August 2005 05:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GrantMarshall is currently offline  GrantMarshall
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It would be easy to protect the heat exchanger with a wood rail mounted on either side that sticks out further than the exchanger. This would allow laying the speaker on it's back without the exchanger being damaged.

The internal test is worth trying, but I expect you've already got it right.

Grant.



Re: Woofer cooling device - Destructive test [message #47597 is a reply to message #47596] Sat, 27 August 2005 06:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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Oh, yes, I agree. When installing the radiator panel, we routed the wood so the panel was flush. I wouldn't install the heat exchanger internally on a basshorn or other cabinet where the woofer magnet was close to a panel. It's better to mount the radiator outside.

Internal installation of the device was really only meant for large front-loaded cabinets. If the speaker magnet is far from a cabinet panel, an externally mounted heat exchanger would be too far away. An example would be direct radiating subs in large 10ft3 cabinets. A person could install the heat exchanger internally, and I think it would still help remove heat from the motor.


Re: Woofer cooling device - Destructive test - Ruminations [message #47605 is a reply to message #47576] Sun, 28 August 2005 02:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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it's going in all my boxes.

Re: Woofer cooling device - Destructive test - Ruminations [message #47626 is a reply to message #47576] Wed, 31 August 2005 21:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sean is currently offline  Sean
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I wonder how this effects the electrical parameters of the woofer as we all know that Q goes up as temperature rises. Might be interesting to see. My guess is that the electrical parameters become more stable over a wider temperature range, although i'm still expecting things to change going from stone cold to normal operating temp. Just not as much.... Sean
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Re: Woofer cooling device - Destructive test - Ruminations [message #47627 is a reply to message #47626] Wed, 31 August 2005 22:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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Yes, you're exactly right.


Re: Woofer cooling device - Test Cycle with Heat Exchanger Installed [message #47887 is a reply to message #47539] Thu, 06 October 2005 04:07 Go to previous message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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Woofer and Heat Exchanger Under Test

The last several days, I performed a series of tests to find the limits of the LAB12 with the heat exchanger installed. I intended to push the driver to the point of failure, but after power was well above twice the level that caused it to fail without the heat exchanger, I realized that a destructive test was not really necessary. The LAB12 with a heat exchanger survived 2 hours at 60VRMS, which is approximately 840WRMS. At this point, I decided to end the test.

To tell the truth, I expected a pretty serious power handling improvement, maybe 150% or so. But the measured improvement is at least 225%. At that point I terminated the test, but it could be as much as 250% or 300%.

There is increased output up to about 150%, and above this, at extreme power levels the driver output is compressed but able to dissipate the heat without damage. Thermal failures are made extremely unlikely with the heat exchanger installed because the voice coil enters compression, increases resistance and in a sense, saves itself.

An interesting thing happens above about 600 watts. The test signal I've been using is a 40Hz sine wave, cycled on for 15 seconds and then off for 15 seconds. What happens is that the woofer is very loud initially, when the signal is applied. It stays loud for about 10 seconds, and then begins to trail off, becoming noticeably quieter over the next 5 seconds when the signal shuts off. This doesn't happen below about 500 watts, but starts somewhere above 600 watts. These levels are with the heat exchanger, of course.

The voice coil is obviously becoming very hot, increasing resistance, so power decreases as the driver enters heavy compression. The voice coil radiates heat into the pole piece and the heat exchanger carries it away. After several seconds, enough heat has been carried away that the voice coil is cool enough to lose resistance, and compression goes away. Once the signal has been applied for another ten seconds continuously, it enters compresion again and the process repeats itself.

The heat exchanger provides a significant increase of long-term power capability, and that this improvement translates to increased sound output. It also increases short-term output, because the long-term heat-soaking energy is wicked away by the heat exchanger, allowing the voice coil to remain cool and track transients. It can provide very high output levels for short bursts, under ten seconds or so.

Extended duration high-power signals lasting longer than ten seconds start to cause compression enough to reduce output. But the driver is protected by the heat exchanger, and signals that are in excess of twice the level that would destroy a LAB12 do not harm the driver with the heat exchanger installed. So the advantage of having the heat exchanger is more than providing additional output, it also serves to improve durability. With the heat exchanger installed, the loudspeaker is much more robust, and can handle 800 watts continuously. This helps prevent thermal failures in the field.


Voltage Input Power Level Duration Temp at back of magnet Temp inside at pole piece
============================================================================================
42VRMS 410WRMS 2 hours 108º F 134.2º F
44VRMS 450WRMS 2 hours 110º F 136.5º F
46VRMS 490WRMS 2 hours 113º F 138.7º F
48VRMS 540WRMS 2 hours 116º F 140.5º F
50VRMS 580WRMS 2 hours 118º F 142.6º F
52VRMS 630WRMS 2 hours 120º F 144.7º F
54VRMS 680WRMS 2 hours 122º F 147.2º F
56VRMS 730WRMS 2 hours 123º F 151.7º F
58VRMS 780WRMS 2 hours 125º F 154.6º F
60VRMS 840WRMS 2 hours 127º F 160.1º F
============================================================================================

Compare these values with the driver run without a heat exchanger. With 40VRMS input, it reached 195º F after an hour and a half, and the voice coil had failed. All other conditions were the same.


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