Pi 2 Towers.....help [message #46186] |
Tue, 25 January 2005 09:59 |
ImTweaked
Messages: 7 Registered: May 2009
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I buildt the pi Towers about 2 years ago for my son. we both love it and it met his budget and is driven by Welbourne DRD 300 B As in all things audio... we would like to extract more and maybe upgrade the tweeter.. For the price a fantastic value! Sound opinion: The overall sound is very very good- especially the mid voice down to the bass. So much so that it "almost" can get away without the sub. The weakness we felt is in the intergration of the tweater to the 10 inch woofer region. Upper voice seem thin...and the tweeter seemed veiled and tight( subjective)Not enough transparencyFor what we invested this is a great product don't get us wrong . we just want to improve the tweeter and get a more open and robust upper voivce region. Pi 4 have been considered but he doesnot want a larger foot print Has any one upgraded to a better tweeter that handles the crossover with the 10 inch better? Any suggestions is appreciated. Like how about using a better tweeter from the upscale pi family Any suggestions from Pi2 users and Wayne
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Re: Pi 2 Towers.....help [message #46187 is a reply to message #46186] |
Tue, 25 January 2005 11:00 |
RMW
Messages: 30 Registered: May 2009
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Hello ImT, In advance of Wayne's reply, which is sure to be prompt and well thought out, be aware that the two pi is now shipping with a Vifa HF driver and associated 6 dB/oct. HP filter cap. Seems to me this would be a natural upgrade path for you.
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Re: Pi 2 Towers.....help [message #46188 is a reply to message #46186] |
Tue, 25 January 2005 13:18 |
GarMan
Messages: 960 Registered: May 2009
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I went through a lot of mods on my Towers, each provided me with better sound, but at the same time, introduced higher costs to the speakers. The first was replacing the piezo tweeter with an Eminence APT80. The cost of the APT80 was reasonable, but the components required for a pair of high-pass filter pushed the cost up. Looking back, it wasn't a worthwhile mod. The KSN1038 tweeter is actually a very good driver and there are various ways to tweak it to your taste. In fact, I'm using a pair of it as UHF in my JBLPro system. The second mod was replacing the tweeter with a PSD2002 compression and crossing over at 1.6KHz. I called it my "Thermionic 2 PI" and it bumped the Towers up into the next class. Big improvement, but the cost for a pair of compression drivers, horns, and crossovers was a big investment. Unfortunately, my front baffle was cut exactly to plan and I did not have enough room to fit in the horns. The horns sat on top of the cabinet for several months. If your baffle can fit a pair of horns, this would be the mod I recommend. The last mod was attaching Wayne's midrange horns on the Alpha10 to emulate the 8PI. That was a lot of fun too. Gar.
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Re: Pi 2 Towers.....help [message #46196 is a reply to message #46186] |
Wed, 26 January 2005 11:15 |
Skip Pack
Messages: 51 Registered: May 2009 Location: Hollister, California
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I've built all three speakers in the Studio line (1, 2, and 2 tower), all with the piezo tweeter, and I share Wayne's occasionally stated comment that what you hear may be the upper end of the big driver's range rather than the tweeter. I have made a change on two sets of speakers that has been pleasing to me. I have switched the series coil, using North Creek Musin 14 guage coils. These, obviously have much lower DC resistance, and seem to make the speaker richer without decreasing the sense of detail. I have tried .5mh and .7mh values and prefer the .7mh. Wayne has stated that anywhere up to 1mh falls within in his 'reasonable' range of values. Perhaps 1mh would be even nicer. I notice that Parts Express is now offering large guage air-core coils, and the prices are comparable to North Creek.I have also paralleled a 50 ohm resistor across the tweeter, but I'm less sure of a significant difference here. I use these speakers with gainclone amps, and I thought the resistors might make the load more benign, as gainclones are reputed to dislike capacitative loads. Please take my comments here as coming from one without significant technical authority Skip
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Re: Pi 2 Towers.....help [message #46198 is a reply to message #46188] |
Wed, 26 January 2005 12:52 |
Adam
Messages: 419 Registered: May 2009
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Agreed... A 2002 would provide much better integration to a larger midrange driver than other, smaller format tweeters. Adam
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Re: Prices.... [message #46203 is a reply to message #46202] |
Thu, 27 January 2005 15:49 |
GarMan
Messages: 960 Registered: May 2009
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Wayne actually has very competitive pricing, so I would direct you to him for an estimate. Items you will need are: H290 horn, PSD2002, crossover. I think this set up will get you 85% to 90% there to what the Theatre PI's have to offer, without starting from scratch on another cabinet. In terms of crossover, Wayne should be able to help you with that too. It's a variation of the crossover used in this 3PIs and 4PIs. He'll put together network that includes a 2nd order low-pass, 3rd order high-pass at 1600Hz, attenuation to match the tweeter with the woofer, and compensation for the tweeter in its upper range. You can download a detailed description of this network from his website a www.pispeakers.com. As for fit, look up the dimensions of the H290 horn on Eminence's website: www.eminence.com to determine if you have room. Like I said, I followed the orignal plan exactly and was short 1/4" between the Alpha10 and top panel. Frustrating cause it was only 1/4". Not much to show photo-wise. Imagine a horn sitting on top of the Tower. However, if you can fit the horn on your front baffle, it might look something like my Theater 3's. Gar.
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