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My New Theatre Three's [message #45181] Thu, 12 August 2004 15:28 Go to next message
GarMan is currently offline  GarMan
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I wasn’t going to make this post until I had the speakers completed, but it doesn’t look like that’s going to happen for another couple of weeks. It’s one thing to build a set of good functioning cabinets, but building a set that looks good is something else.

I choose the Theatre 3’s because I already had a pair of PSD2002 / horns from experimenting with my 2PI Towers, and IMO the 3’s presented the best combination of size, price, and performance. This is my third speaker project in the past 12 months and I took it as an opportunity to try a few new things. I definitely did not want just a standard box, but had no idea what I got myself into.

A few modifications were made, mainly shape, size, and port. I prefer the tower shape over the standard box, and the overall volume was reduced by a quarter cubic foot. The size and shape was also dictated by the amount of space I was willing to dedicate in the room, and how the panels could be cut from the full 8x4 sheet. Port was increased to 4” diameter (because I had the plastic flare in hand) and length adjusted accordingly.

The two basic functioning cabinets were completed in an afternoon. The cabinets were glued, braced, lined, baffle cut, and sealed. As usual, I had all the panels precut at HD. Panels were 3/4” all around and 1” front baffle. Went with the 1” front to compensate for reduction in thickness from flush mounting.

About that funny triangular brace, I cut it to that shape so that when it sits between the woofer and port, I can reach in from the woofer cutout to make any adjustments to the port from the inside.

Cabinets were built in one afternoon, but I’ve spend four weekends finishing them. The MDF carcasses were covered with 5mm thick VC oak ply instead of veneer, simply because it was much cheaper. It also added almost another 1/4” to the MDF all around. Veneering the beveled edges was a pain as there was no easy way to keep pressure on it until it dried.

Woofer cutout was done with a homemade jig, made from a scrape piece of MDF, as per Epstien’s suggestion. Rabbeting cutter with bearing was use to cut the recess for flush mounting the woofer. Flush mounting the horn was more of an exercise in woodworking than acoustics. More difficult than I thought, but happy with the results.

I vow never to build another 8 sided speaker with moulding, especially when half the sides are less than 1” wide. First of all, I don’t have a mitre saw to give me the exact 22.5 degree cut I need, so there was a lot of trial and error happening. Secondly, the corner pieces were so small that they can’t be resized if you don’t get it right the first time. If the piece does not fit perfectly, start again from scratch.

What’s left is more sanding, another coat of stain, and many coats of tung oil. I figure if I can move these into the laundry room, I can get five coats of oil on it over the course of a week.

So, how do they sound? Like a more mature and sophisticated version of the 2PI Towers. They both have the same extension in bass, but the 3’s are much better controlled. And they do go deep. I also find that I’m able to listen to these at a much higher volume comfortably than the 2’s. These speakers are also a better match for rock and roll. I found that not all pop/rock recordings worked well with the 2 Towers.

I’ll keep you folk updated when final pixs are available.

Gar.


Re: My New Theatre Three's [message #45182 is a reply to message #45181] Thu, 12 August 2004 18:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tightwad is currently offline  Tightwad
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Very nice work. You're making me jealous.

Incredible! [message #45183 is a reply to message #45181] Thu, 12 August 2004 19:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just a beautiful job. You should be proud!

Re: My New Theatre Three's [message #45184 is a reply to message #45181] Thu, 12 August 2004 21:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently online  Wayne Parham
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Great work, Gar.

I still love those bevelled edges.


Re: My New Theatre Three's [message #45185 is a reply to message #45181] Fri, 13 August 2004 09:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ports is currently offline  ports
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.Wow....those look great....you've been quite busy this year (3 pairs of speakers!)...what are the measurements of these Theatre 3's & what size port opening/length are you going with ? I'm asking because I'm thinking about doing a quasi-3 myself, but a tower version does indeed look like an interesting option...and you say they sound better on rock than the 2's...

thanks...ports.

Size [message #45189 is a reply to message #45185] Sat, 14 August 2004 16:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GarMan is currently offline  GarMan
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Internal dimensions I used are 38.5(h)x14.5(w)x11.5(d). Port size for now is 4"(d)x5"(l) and sound very good. But I'll fine tune when I get the cabinet in their final destination. I think this cabinet size would work very well with the normal Delta12, if you already have a subwoofer and don't need the bass extension.

Gar.

Very elegant, Gar [message #45198 is a reply to message #45181] Tue, 17 August 2004 10:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JLapaire is currently offline  JLapaire
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I like the beveled edges too, and the molding adds a nice classic touch. One afternoon is a fast build for a project with that many steps!

Are you using the Gamma to go with the H295/PSD2002 hf?

Very good WAF I expect - I believe Deb would trade the Karlsons for them in a heartbeat.

John

Hi John, How are you liking the Karlsons? [message #45200 is a reply to message #45198] Tue, 17 August 2004 13:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Garland garland is currently offline  Garland garland
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I've been curious about their sound. They look really cool in a classic early HIFI kind of way.

Is there any way you could haul them to the next NE Bottlehead meet?

Garland

Re: Hi John, How are you liking the Karlsons? [message #45202 is a reply to message #45200] Tue, 17 August 2004 14:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JLapaire is currently offline  JLapaire
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Hi Gary, I love 'em. For bang-for-the-watt you should hear them with the new little battery-powered t-amp.

I'll bring them out again if the guys aren't tired of them. They've been on the road a few times since the last meet to pick up more dings and scratches, etc, and by now they practically jump into the truck when I back up to the deck. At least I wish they would.

Might you bring the mighty Theater 4s or the new 3s? What bass driver did you use in the 3s? In the last post I meant Kappa, not Gamma.

John



Re: Very elegant, Gar [message #45204 is a reply to message #45198] Tue, 17 August 2004 17:47 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
GarMan is currently offline  GarMan
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Thanks for the compliment John. No, I didn't do all that in one afternoon. Just the bare MDF box with braces, foam and baffle cutout. It makes it a lot easier when all the panels are pre-cut to size for you at HD. The veneering, bevel, flush-mount recess, moulding, staining, sanding, and more sanding has taken over 4 additional weekends.

For the woofer, I'm using the Delta12LF as per Wayne's Theatre Three design. Excellent low end as would be expected, but was also surprised by the midrange. But I still miss the midrange from the 8PI though.

Gar.

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