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Effect of gaps and back chambers......... [message #42168] Mon, 11 August 2003 04:48 Go to next message
Adrian Mack is currently offline  Adrian Mack
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Hey everyone,

Today I decided to do some frequency response/transfer function tests on a midrange Tractrix horn with 300Hz cutoff frequency that I recently built. I decided to see what the effect was when I put a gap between the front chamber and driver, when there was no gap, and when there was a back chamber with and without lining. Measurements were taken outdoors to avoid room reflections, and the microphone was placed on axis (possible not exactly on axis but rather a slight difference because it was hard to get it exact) at 42cm distance. The driver used was an Eminence Alpha 6. Below is the response when there was no gap, and no back chamber:


As you can see, there is a massive rolloff from about 460Hz where it roller-coasters downward. There's about a 6db difference between 500Hz and 1KHz. I then decided to take a measurement with a 3mm gap between driver and mounting plate.

Here we can see there is no more roller-coaster action from 500Hz to 1KHz. It's now within about 3-4db which is pretty good. But just for experiment sake, I tested it with a 5mm gap and the results are below.


In this case, the top end has been brought up a bit more as evidenced by comparing the amplitude at 1KHz on this graph and the one before it. They are both good, but the larger gap extended HF response, but only marginally. Something to note however is the 3db dip at 600Hz. Although this should not be an audible difference, its worth noting for the rest of this discussion. Below is what happened when I gapped it by 8mm.


Essentially, there was no difference. Below is when it was gapped 10mm.


Again, there was no real difference again, although response between 1KHz to 2KHz has been brought up, a little bit. So basically, it seems that gapping the front chamber does have merit - but only small gaps are needed to make a difference. Anything gapped more than 5mm really won't have much effect, and certainly would make no audible effect.

I then did a small study of backchambers. I used an empty icecream container, and when it was put on had a net volume of 2L. Here is what it looked like with no gap, and 2L back chamber with no lining.


Nice! Compared to when there was no back chamber and no gap - this is so much better. It's now very flat up to 1KHz, much like the gap did - except there's no 600Hz dip. I then conducted a test using about a 2cm layer of lining in the back chamber. Here is what it looked like.


We can see 500Hz to 1KHz response is a bit flatter, but since the difference is only about 1db, they are both essentially the same. What we can notice is the junk above 2KHz - although a fair bit of that is likely contributed to noise and such, the stuffing should, in theory attenuate some of the resonances as Hornresp predicts when you model with lining in the back chamber.

I did not try any other sized back chambers, as I really only did the back chamber measurement because I had something that fit perfectly, and that was the plastic icecream container. I'm sure that a different sized back chamber would alter things significantly, Hornresp tells me that back chambers of very small volumes makes the horn usable to a lower frequency before it drops off. It also means excursion is increased though. Hornresp also tells me that while it betters performance at the low end, the upper cutoff before it drops is lowered greatly. Using larger back chambers doesn't sacrifice performance at the top end though, and neither will an extremely large back chamber - its only very small back chambers that sacrifice the top end to gain the low end.

Essentially both gapping and using back chambers made 500Hz to 1KHz very flat, and the back chamber did a slightly better job at this because there was no 600Hz dip. But above 1KHz - the front chamber, showed less of a dropoff. But it was only a difference of 2db at 1.5KHz between a 5mm gap and a 2L back chamber.

Now... it's pretty clear that this horn performs within 3db from about 450Hz to 1.1KHz when we use either a gap between the driver and front plate, or when we use a back chamber. I wanted this horn to go to 1.6KHz so that the compression driver which I am crossing over too would not have to perform as low. So I decided to take some in-room measurements, where all the reflections, etc come into play.


Above is a chart when I took a measurement at 42cm from the dustcap on axis. It was not gapped and had no back chamber. It was placed in half space conditions, meaning the back of the horn was up near one wall. Notice how it's flat to 1.4KHz. Those spikes you see weren't from the horn itself, it was caused by the room. With a small shift of the microphone, that 1.5KHz spike disappeared (but I forgot to take a screenshot of it).

But that's the thing, and everyone knows it already. Once shifted a bit so that it's no longer on-axis - the frequency response is going to change dramatically, and it did, it roller-coastered downward above 1KHz when I moved the microphone even by smaller amounts. This happens outdoors too of course, but of course, indoors the room can make things even more complicated.

So there's a few conclusions that can be drawn here. The gap increases the upper frequency cutoff, and from my tests also introduced a dip of 3db at 600Hz, but that won't be an audible problem really. Bruce Edgar in his '86 Speaker Builder article "The Edgar Midrange Horn" says that the gap is used to clip off peaks and it acts sort of like a highpass filter. This could be true for when response is already flat with no gap - but apparently, mine wasn't, and the gap made it flat at the expensive of a small dip.

Using a back chamber is also a very interesting thing. My conclusions are that the back chamber can be used to better high frequency performance as well. Hornresp doesn't quite predict the same thing, but that's OK as this is what happened with my horn using the test setup that I've used, and all measurement anomalies in the setup. But in any case, a back chamber is a good thing.

I did not do any experiments with front chambers, as this would be a real pain in the ass! In any case there's always a front chamber because there's volume in front of the cone, but I did not experiment with different sizes. However Hornresp predicts that using small front chambers retains flat response to a higher frequency, where oversized front chambers sacrifices the upper limit greatly. The minimum front chamber volume is the volume of air in front of the cone - but we can change this if we use filler blocks to take up some of the volume. CAD programs must be used so that the block can be made to the exact size and to ensure that the cone won't hit it.

Anyway... I just thought I'd post my findings. I hope it's been interesting or useful to some of you!

Adrian

Re: Effect of gaps and back chambers......... [message #42171 is a reply to message #42168] Mon, 11 August 2003 11:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
AstroSonic is currently offline  AstroSonic
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Adrian,

Thanks for a great post. Just wondering if there was an audible improvement/difference for the 5 mm gap and damped back-chamber vs the no gap and back chamber condition.

Regards,

AstroSonic

Re: Effect of gaps and back chambers......... [message #42172 is a reply to message #42168] Mon, 11 August 2003 12:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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Excellent post. Truly excellent post - Very informative and useful.

Thanks for taking the time to do this.

Super post, but now I have to build a horn... [message #42173 is a reply to message #42168] Mon, 11 August 2003 12:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ToFo is currently offline  ToFo
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...because there is no way I am missing out on this action. How cool!

Thanks for a very good post,
Thomas

Re: Effect of gaps and back chambers......... [message #42174 is a reply to message #42168] Mon, 11 August 2003 12:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John Sheerin is currently offline  John Sheerin
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Hi Adrian,

SW is kind of fun to play with, isn't it? :>

If you right click on the chart, you can change the frequency range of the chart. If you only showed above say 50hz or 100hz, that would allow you to see an expanded version of what you have above. SW will also usually fill in more grid lines when you do this, so you would have 100, 200, 300, 400hz, etc. showing up. Also, you can make a new chart and add in frequency responses you measured in order to directly compare your measurements. Alternatively, you can add in a measured response right on top of another one (right click on the chart and select 'add').

If you kept all the volume controls at the same settings (windows volume, amp volume, RS meter setting, line-in vol, SW vol) for all your outdoor measurements and kept your mic, etc. in the same place, then your results actually show that the throat gaps are reducing the sensitivity at the low frequencies, hence making the response flatter compared to the measurement with no gap. Further, if all volumes were the same, the rear chamber looks like it increases the sensitivity in the highs a bit while reducing the lows a bit (or at least damping the peak). Actually, it may just be that it's reducing the cancellations you get from the open back driver and/or the throat gap.

John

Speaker Workshop "Chart Properties" [message #42175 is a reply to message #42174] Mon, 11 August 2003 21:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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Another thing I think is helpful is to right click on the chart as John suggested, select "Chart Properties" and set the amplitude of each chart and its major and minor gridlines. For example, you can set them all to show the a 50dB window of values on the "Y axis" with 10dB increments for major gridlines. I like to remove minor gridlines to keep it uncluttered, but you can also set 'em for every 2dB or every 5dB. For the same reason, I like to remove the major and minor gridlines from the "Y2" chart, which shows phase. I like to set phase to show +/-90 or +/-180 degrees, and leave out the gridlines for clarity. Taking these steps, combined with consistency of measurement setup (amplitude, mic position, etc), makes comparison of response charts pretty intuitive and easy.

My point is that you can manipulate the chart to make it easier to read, and to optimize the view to show the features you're most interested in. Just like John said about the frequency range, you can also set the amplitude and phase range. It's probably easiest to make comparisons when every chart has the same features of frequency, amplitude, phase and gridline settings.

Re: Effect of gaps and back chambers......... [message #42177 is a reply to message #42171] Tue, 12 August 2003 05:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Adrian Mack is currently offline  Adrian Mack
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Hey AstroSonic,

During all that testing I did, I never did an ear test!!! I guess it just didn't occur to me, or I was probably being lazy and just thought I'd do it another time. Anyway, I'll give it a listen with the gap and back chamber tomorow.

Adrian

Re: Effect of gaps and back chambers......... [message #42178 is a reply to message #42174] Tue, 12 August 2003 05:35 Go to previous message
Adrian Mack is currently offline  Adrian Mack
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Hey John,

Yep, I love Speakerworkshop! Its like a kind of addiction ey, its just so cool I can make these measurements myself now. Thanks for showing me how to use SW by the way.

I kept everything the same during the tests. Same range setting on RS meter, same volume setting on amplifier, same mic distance (it was never moved), the line-in and I/O volume in SW kept constant, and all bass/treble controls set to flat so the measurements could be compared.

That last paragraph you wrote looks like a good description of whats happening. Perhaps I'll take more measurements with different sized back chambers sometime.

Who knows what will become of my SW addiction; maybe I will start measuring all the speakers in my house, good and crap, just for fun :P

Cheers,
Adrian

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