More two way questions... [message #41303] |
Sun, 11 May 2003 23:52 |
jeff mai
Messages: 6 Registered: May 2009
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Thanks very much for the details and tips in the thread below, Wayne and mollecon. I've studied a bit further and I have some questions. First for Wayne, The PiAlign document contains some nomenclature I haven't seen. Vad is this the same as Vas? Where do I get Qd from? There are a number of others. If these are merely different names for the standard TS parameters, a translation table would be useful. Second, all of the published alignments like QB3 or SBB4, produce box volumes less than half the size of the 4-5 ft^3 you (mollecon) suggested I might use for a typical high efficiency woofer (I plugged in a JBL 2206, for example.) Am I doing or interpreting something wrong? If not I assume we are deliberately misaligning the box to get more LF extension out of it by sacrificing a flat response, yes? The Loudspeaker Cookbook talks about non-flat alignments, but the examples he shows are all underdamped. I assume you could go the opposite way and overdamp. Is this what we're doing by using a much bigger box? Thanks! Jeff Mai
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Re: PiAlign nomenclature [message #41309 is a reply to message #41304] |
Mon, 12 May 2003 13:34 |
jeff mai
Messages: 6 Registered: May 2009
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Thanks Wayne, I hadn't made it far enough to look at the PiAlign software. I've got more reading to do and may discover the answer eminently, but what would be the advantages of PiAlignment vs. going for a larger enclosure (say 3 cu ft) for a 2206? Jeff Mai
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Re: More two way questions... [message #41337 is a reply to message #41303] |
Tue, 13 May 2003 14:44 |
mollecon
Messages: 203 Registered: May 2009
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Hi Jeff! Well, quite honestly, my assesments of efficiency/boxsize/bass response was more a qualified guess, albeit based on real life examples. Like two reflex boxes I recently calculated, both with Eminence woofers - one gave -3dB at 50Hz in a ~120 liter (~4.3 cu.ft.) box, efficiency 96-97dB, the other -3dB at 43Hz in a 77 liter(~2.75 cu.ft.) box, efficiency 94 dB. Furthermore, I'm referring to the piston working mode of the drivers, most of which have a rising response as they enter break up in the upper range. Luckily, the room bounderies often compensates in the lower frequency area. The latter means that a loudspeaker may well have a better bass response &/or efficiency 'in room' than calculation reveals, which is just as well... :-) Btw., it's my understanding that many of Wayne's designs are deliberately taking this into account, hence the 'Pi' name. There is a theoretical limit as to how efficient conventional closed boxes or reflex designs can get (about 5% I believe) - & many commercial loudspeakers don't even come near to their theoretical limits even taking their bass response into account (the efficiency limit drops as one extends the bass response in any given box size as I mentioned in the earlier post).
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