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dual 15's [message #39354 is a reply to message #39347] Thu, 05 December 2002 05:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sam P. is currently offline  Sam P.
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as in the JBL 4648a-8 systems have a response notch around 820 Hz. that is shown on the jbl data sheets. The same "notch" is also shown on their 4638 system data, using a pair of 2035H's. Can't cheat physics.

JBL network schematics for dual woofer systems often use a LP inductor value of about twice the "upper" woofer one for the "lower" woofer, "to promote a smoother response" in the xover region. You might try running the upper woofer "fullrange" or pseudo-1st up to 1.6kHz., and "choke" the lower woofer around 800Hz. Sam


4648a-8 z peaks [message #39358 is a reply to message #39329] Thu, 05 December 2002 09:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sam P. is currently offline  Sam P.
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I measured a pair of these systems using Weems method. The Fl was 29Hz./24.0 ohms and Fh was 70Hz./29.1 ohms for both. Fs was at 40Hz./6.0 ohms, which is where JBL has them tuned. Sam

Re: 4648a-8 z peaks [message #39359 is a reply to message #39358] Thu, 05 December 2002 10:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jlharden is currently offline  jlharden
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Thanks for the data Sam. If I'm interpreting the data correctly that sounds very low. That was measuring one 4648a-8 ohm cabinet?
yes, [message #39362 is a reply to message #39359] Thu, 05 December 2002 13:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sam P. is currently offline  Sam P.
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each "nominal 8 ohm z" 4648a-8 contained a pair of 2226J's. I tested two separate systems, from the amp ends of the speaker wire. BTW, a pair of 16 ohm resistors in PARALLEL will measure 8 ohms, so these measurements are pretty normal.

For all intents and purposes, the amp is "seeing" the same load as a single 2226H when it's driving a 4648a-8 system containing a pair of 2226J's. The MAIN reason I'm running the dual 2226J's is ECONOMIC. But it still takes the pair of them per side to do the work of a single 2035H or 2226H. There is no inherant "benefit" running dual 16 ohm drivers vs. a single 8 ohm one in this specific case. UNLESS 1200 watt power handling capability is needed:)

Dual woofer DOWNSIDE is the larger enclosure needed, the extra weight involved, the "notch" at 820Hz.

I'm not sure about what a SET will do with the back emf...burp it back into the HF driver like a chirping piezo?:(

Dual woofer UPSIDE...hmmm...looks cool? Positions the HF horn at a GREAT height relative to the listener. Oh yeah, and the "power response" matches that of a 90x40 horn at 800Hz. Whatever that means:) Sam

Re: dual 15's [message #39371 is a reply to message #39354] Fri, 06 December 2002 10:57 Go to previous message
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Hi Sam,

This approach sounds logical. I know you've played with the 4648's a bit. Does a inducter value of 1.4 mh for the upper woofer and 2.4 mh for the lower woofer sound about right? Do you still have your 4648's running with Altec horns? What's your long term impression of the combination? Thanks! Jerrod

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