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Thoughts on this challenge - hehe [message #38887] Wed, 30 October 2002 14:49 Go to next message
Anonymous
See link.
http://www.talkaudio.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18815

I find this test amusing because many of the variables
that give an amplifier it's sonic signature are removed
from the test and only pure circuit topolgy is in question.
Furthermore he adds some resistors to a solid state amplifier
to mimmick the sound of tube amplifiers when someone
wants to test tubes vs. solid state. Someone wanted to challenge
by comparing class d to class a, the reply was sure you
can, but you must limit the bandwidth of the class a to equal
the class d. HeHEE..

To win, you must get all 12 guesses correct.
Two win for the $10k prize, you need 24 guesses correct.
Before the test begins for the big prize, you need
to pass the preliminary 8 rounds.. shhheshh..

Any amplifiers can be tested as long as it meets his
requirements, even home amplifiers are now open to
the challenge.

I never like to play cards with a magician in his own
home when he holds the deck. I don't like playing
games that have a score when the magician controls
the scoresheet. LOL


Amusing [message #38891 is a reply to message #38887] Wed, 30 October 2002 21:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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Illuminati (33rd Degree)
I agree with some of the stated views of the author, but I'm not sure how useful it is. It appears to be mostly just argumentative.
I can always tell mine apart. [message #38893 is a reply to message #38887] Thu, 31 October 2002 06:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ToFo_ is currently offline  ToFo_
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Esquire
Crown and Adcom are great, but they sound different. They are both known to do ruler flat response. Crown = start and stop on a dime Adcom = bigger deeper seeming bass. I like them both a lot but, I can tell them apart with earplugs in. I am not itching to test it, I know it.

What does he do to compensate for rise time and damping factor. seems a little silly really. He checks absolute phase of the amplifiers, but in some cases an eq is added to make them the same, hmmmm.

Can you tell flat paint from semi-gloss paint when the color, temperature, thickness and lighting are all scientifically proven to be the same? (I measured ALMOST everything!) Some people would say it's shiny, some would say it has a different texture. Does he really believe that our ears can't do what all of our other senses do constantly?

I guess parts quality and good design have just been rendered unimportant by a couple of resistors and an equalizer. (haven't I heard of this before?) The science in audio is vital, but is all to often used poorly or selectively. If the technician and or the tool are not of consistent and known high quality, you have no meaningful data!

Meanwhile, I shall happily enjoy my great sounding tunes. It just doesn't matter why it sounds so good :)

Thomas

Re: Amusing [message #38894 is a reply to message #38891] Thu, 31 October 2002 07:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
He's been doing this challenge for a long time,
even writing checks to amplifier vendors IF
they can prove that their amplifiers have a sonic
different to any other brand, if they can prove,
he would buy their stuff for this studio.
So far, nobody has won the challange.

After reading all this (which is new to me), his debate is
...a watt is a watt and all an amplifier does is amplify...
BUT, he does admit that amplifier do sound different,
but to prove "a watt is a watt" he creates those esoteric
conditions - hehe

I don't know but most people DO buy amplifiers because
of those "little things" that give it personality.

His forum is right here;
http://www.carsound.com/cgi-bin/UBB_CGI/ultimatebb.cgi

Richard Clark is a long time car audio celebrity
and winner of many car audio competitions.

Audio IS fun stuff and I know Richard is having fun
with this testing 1000's of people. Even if 100 people
got it correct, he would still be doing the challenge
since 100 is minority - hehe

$100 - $300 to take the test.



Re: Thoughts on this challenge - hehe [message #38905 is a reply to message #38887] Fri, 01 November 2002 19:11 Go to previous message
Jerry Parker is currently offline  Jerry Parker
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Baron
I think he started the test originally because of all the hype surrounding amplification. Vendors claimed that their amplifiers sounded better than the competitions, more bass, warmer mids, cleaner, etc. And a lot of the claims were just fraudulant. And he wanted people to understand that buying an expensive amplifier should be bought because of the real factors, and not some imaginary sound qualities that dont really exist.
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