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Re: Pi designed bass for Oris horns? [message #36264 is a reply to message #36256] Sat, 04 May 2002 10:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JLM is currently offline  JLM
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I think speakers (the only transducers left in the chain other than my ear drums) make a much bigger difference than amps. The Decware SET's are class A, but only a couple of watts (Steve Deckert goes on and on trying to explain why 1.8 watts RMS sound much louder than most would expect). They're reported to love 2 ohm loads versus 16 ohm loads, but I believe that they have limited low frequency capacity. That and needing more power is why I was thinking about a different amp for the bass units anyway.

I'd like to limit the total size of the sound room to 23 ft by 15 ft by 8 ft (including any built in bass horn loading). I'd like a couch in front of my desk (that both are in the sweet spot) in the middle/back of the room. I'm also thinking about putting the back wall on a slight angle from square to break up standing waves. Padding/diffusion is assumed to be needed to be ideal, although books and music shelving would cover much of the room. No HT. I'm thinking that the Oris horns would be about 5 feet from the back wall and 3 feet from side walls.

What do you think the cabinet design/locations should be? Building them into walls or floor would allow for 2x4 reinforcement ribs on some sides and concrete on the other sides.

At what distance of driver separation does it become audible at 160 - 220 Hz? Perhaps the mouth could be located beside the Oris horns along the side walls or below them (acting as stands).

Decware [message #36269 is a reply to message #36264] Sat, 04 May 2002 14:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mike  Borzcik is currently offline  Mike Borzcik
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For what it's worth, I tried a Zen with my 4 Pi's for a while and then sold it. It just didn't have enough oomph, both in terms of absolute volume and the character of the sound. I'm not sure how closely that would coincide with the results you'd get with your speakers.

Mike

Re: Pi designed bass for Oris horns? [message #36277 is a reply to message #36264] Sat, 04 May 2002 19:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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I'd start by positioning the speakers in the corners, with the mid/high horns facing in at 45 degrees so that their pattern was within the wall angle. This allows the bass to operate in eighth-space, but doesn't introduce early reflections at higher frequencies because the mid/high horn pattern is within the wall angle. Keep the path length distance between sound sources under 1/4 wavelength at the crossover point. So for crossover around 200Hz, that's about a foot and a half.

Re: Decware [message #36281 is a reply to message #36269] Sun, 05 May 2002 03:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks Mike!

Can you define "character of the sound". Do you mean that the Pi's outclassed the Zen amp? Or that they were a poor match? Obviously the Oris and the Zen are in different price classes and I'm probably going too cheap with a Zen.

Any suggestions for amps?

thanks

Re: Decware [message #36287 is a reply to message #36281] Sun, 05 May 2002 07:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mike  Borzcik is currently offline  Mike Borzcik
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The Zen just sounded underpowered, even when it wasn't actually clipping (which it often was). The clarity and soundstage and all that audiophile crap were all there, but it just didn't have enough drive to make music. Listening to it was a chore, and every time I tried to give it another chance, I always switched back to my Jolida 302a after a day or so.

As for suggestions for other amps, Doc Bottlehead's Paramour has been getting a lot of attention on this board lately (you can do a search for it), but that's still in the same price range as the Zen. Personally, I've been looking at some of the offerings from Rogue Audio lately. They seem to be no-nonsense products that have plenty of power and still do all the audiophile stuff right. Haven't actually heard them yet, so I can't really say much more about them. Other than that, I'd think just about any low to medium-powered tube amp in your desired price range would probably work well.

Mike

Re: Decware [message #36292 is a reply to message #36281] Sun, 05 May 2002 19:09 Go to previous message
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There are some really nice amps by Transcendence Sound. They are OTL amps in both stereo and mono pairs, and available in kit or assembled versions. The designer, Bruce Rosenblit, is an electrical engineer. They have been well received.

Steve

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