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PiAlign RS1354? [message #34626] Wed, 02 January 2002 07:04 Go to next message
craigha@attbi.com is currently offline  craigha@attbi.com
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First off thanks to Wayne and the others that have
been answering my questions. I would like to build
a Theater 4 Pi when I can afford the parts. In the
meantime I have a pair of Radio Shack 1354 drivers
on the shelf and some time to build a speaker. I
want to try a PiAlign'ed cabinet with a full range 1354
and a Motorola 1038 piezo for HF fill.

I'm using these parameters for the 1354:
Fs 51, Vas .5 ft3, Qts .46, Qms .537, Qes 3.46,
Pd 40W, Re 7, Diam. 4.75, Xmax 0.1 (??)

From PiAlign I got: Vol. .23ft3, Fr 46
From Box Plot: Alpha 2.2, H 0.9

The Box Plot alignment was: vol. .8ft3, Fr 44 Hz
Alpha .62, H .97

The Box Plot alignment Amplitude plot has -3dB at 40Hz
and a flat 0dB line from 60Hz up.

The Pi Alignment Amplitute plot has -3dB at 70 Hz
and a hump from 90-250Hz.

Some questions:
1) Am I entering things correctly?
Assuming this is correct
2) Why the differences in the 2 alignments? How
will the sound compare?
3) How are the cylindrical port sizes determined for
each alignment? This has got me confused.

Tia, Craig

Re: PiAlign RS1354? [message #34632 is a reply to message #34626] Wed, 02 January 2002 18:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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BoxPlot uses a different algorithm when you press the "Align" button. You'll notice that the PiAlign box is usually larger for very low Q drivers and smaller for high Q drivers.
Port length calculator [message #34635 is a reply to message #34632] Thu, 03 January 2002 05:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
craigha@attbi.com is currently offline  craigha@attbi.com
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Thanks Wayne. I'm getting more comfortable using PiAlign
and BoxPlot. Here is an attempt at a port length calculator.

From Loudspeaker Design by Vance Dickason

For a tubular vent flush-mounted on a speaker,
calculate the length by:

Lv = ((1.463*(10**7)*(R**2)) / ((fB**2)*VB)) - (1.463*R)

Lv = length in inches
fB = tuning frequency in Hz
VB = box volume in cubic inches
R = radius of the vent in inches


My favorite calculator is the Python interpreter. A
Windows version is available at:
http://www.activestate.com/Products/Download/Get.plex?id=ActivePython

I wrote a function to calculate port length for me:

def portlen(diamInches,tuningFreq,boxVolCubFt):
radiusInches = diamInches / 2.0
cubInchConv = 12.0 * 12.0 * 12.0
boxVolCubInch = boxVolCubFt * cubInchConv
num = 1.463 * (radiusInches * radiusInches) * (10000000.0)
denom = (tuningFreq * tuningFreq) * boxVolCubInch
term1 = num / denom
term2 = 1.463 * radiusInches
len = term1 - term2
print 'calc port len diam.=',diamInches,'freq=',tuningFreq,'vol=',boxVolCubFt,'len=',len
return len


Example output:
calc port len diam.= 0.5 freq= 54.0 vol= 0.23 len= 0.423228647155
calc port len diam.= 0.75 freq= 54.0 vol= 0.23 len= 1.2265769561
calc port len diam.= 1.0 freq= 54.0 vol= 0.23 len= 2.42441458862
calc port len diam.= 1.5 freq= 54.0 vol= 0.23 len= 6.0035578244

calc port len diam.= 2.0 freq= 46.0 vol= 1.0 len= 2.53815084366
calc port len diam.= 3.0 freq= 46.0 vol= 1.0 len= 6.80808939824
calc port len diam.= 4.0 freq= 46.0 vol= 1.0 len= 13.0786033746



Re: PiAlign RS1354? [message #34636 is a reply to message #34626] Thu, 03 January 2002 07:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Otor is currently offline  Otor
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Hi Craig,

I calculated Pi Align for RS-1354 some time ago, but not built them.
Where I was confused was a really small port dimensions.
In the Pi align, there is another factor to be considered, which
is the ratio Qe = Lp^2/Ap. For RS-1354 in 0.234 cu ft Pi aligned
box tuned to 41.6 Hz, this ratio is 2.206. The only possible port dimension I found is Dp=0.414" and Lp=0.545" - not a huge port, it
risks to produce some noise, IMHO.
I do not understand exactly how important is to keep this ratio close to calculated Qe value. What's more important: use such a small
port or make the port bigger and then keep right values for Qe or rather for Fre?

O'tor

PiAlign [message #34640 is a reply to message #34636] Thu, 03 January 2002 15:03 Go to previous message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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Making the system resonant frequency correct is most important, but then again, having a port that is inappropriately sized isn't good either. Sometimes - and particularly with very small cabinets - PiAlign compromises one or both of these in order to keep the port size manageable. It usually makes the same compromise I would make, because the program essentially automates the decisions I would make. But in cases where the cabinet is exceedingly small, it tends to compromise resonant frequency more than I would.
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