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When I become rich and famous [message #33261 is a reply to message #33260]

Sun, 29 April 2001 19:52

Randy Bey
Messages: 15
Registered: May 2009

Chancellor

I will probably buy a couple pairs of Pi's, but until that time (maybe next spring, if all goes right) I need to find something that will bring home the tympani and double bass I heard at Orchestra Hall.

The Klipschorns did everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) right except for the bottom octave.

So I'm trying to think of the shortest point from A to B, by which I mean lowest cost within acceptability parameters. Unfortunately, I was unimpressed even by pricey REL subwoofers, and once we're talking 3 grand anyway, then we're talking replacing the whole speaker system, not augmenting existing stuff.

So my dilemma is this: can I build or otherwise come across a subwoofer with the horn loading characteristics I like (dynamic, super low distortion) w/o tipping the equation into the "shuck it all and buy a new set of speakers" side.

Two (or three) options being: Pi, HSU style subwoofer, or one of these spiral horn jobs.

Once the cost gets above about a grand, then it makes more sense to sell the Khorns and buy Pi's. Of course, I will have a spare grand laying around when pigs fly.

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Re: When I become rich and famous [message #33262 is a reply to message #33261]

Mon, 30 April 2001 00:40

Wayne Parham
Messages: 18787
Registered: January 2001

Illuminati (33rd Degree)

Just let me know when you're ready and I'll send plans.

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Re: When I become rich and famous [message #33266 is a reply to message #33262]

Mon, 30 April 2001 17:16

sunnysal
Messages: 4
Registered: May 2009

Esquire

I am beginning to think I should dump my k-horns and go for pi...

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This enclosure features a dual horn loaded band pass design for tens. [message #33276 is a reply to message #33241]

Tue, 01 May 2001 21:07

Rod M
Messages: 2
Registered: May 2009

Esquire

I think Wayne hit on the key word, band pass. Horn subs are refrigerator sized. You can't cheat physics.

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"You can't cheat physics" [message #33279 is a reply to message #33276]

Wed, 02 May 2001 00:11

Wayne Parham
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Registered: January 2001

Illuminati (33rd Degree)

Agreed. One can get decent bass from a box that's only a couple cubic feet, but there's no way to make a decent basshorn subwoofer that size.

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Re: "You can't cheat physics" [message #33283 is a reply to message #33279]

Wed, 02 May 2001 17:15

Rod M
Messages: 2
Registered: May 2009

Esquire

One can surely design an excellent bass cabinet with the right drivers in various sized boxes. Calling a small one a basshorn is the questionable part.

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Re: This enclosure features a dual horn loaded band pass design for tens. [message #33455 is a reply to message #33276]

Sat, 23 June 2001 20:57

mrrjm
Messages: 3
Registered: May 2009

Esquire

I have the Decware WO32. I am very very happy with it. Just don't use the woofer that Steve recommends.

Ray

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WO32...no proplem @ 30 hz [message #33456 is a reply to message #33252]

Sat, 23 June 2001 21:12

mrrjm
Messages: 3
Registered: May 2009

Esquire

My WO32 has no problem at 30HZ. It actually comes in at 25hz. And that's off the outputs of a 300B SET amp. I have not tried feeding a signal directly into the plate amp. Anyway it does not have a problem with 30hz. E-mail me if you like.

Ray

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Cool looking subwoofer [message #33518 is a reply to message #33456]

Sun, 08 July 2001 04:08

Wayne_Parham
Messages: 123
Registered: May 2009

Master

This thread has been primarily concerned with whether or not the enclosure functioned as a horn. A woofer with the right electro-mechanical specs can achive 25Hz as a direct radiator, so that's not an issue. What is an issue, and what we're discussing here, is whether the cabinet provides any useful horn loading at subwoofer frequencies. From all indications, it's a cool looking subwoofer but it isn't a basshorn.

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