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GarMan is currently offline  GarMan
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I had a couple of weeks off prior to Labour Day and was able to work on a few projects fulltime, including this Tuba18 horn subwoofer. Details on this speaker design can be found at Bill’s forum: http://audioroundtable.com/BillFitzmaurice/

Design Objectives

First off, I think typical subwoofers are ugly. They are large bland boxes that, even when hidden in corners, are still ugly. You can never completely hide them, so I opted to blend this one in as a piece of furniture. The subwoofer was built for my sister to supplement a pair of Tangband ELF1.5’s, so I leaned towards the “girly” side on its design.

Material and Construction

The unit was built entirely from two 5x5 sheets of baltic birch ply. One sheet of 1/2" and one 3/4" with very little leftover. The only panels that were not BB-ply were the drawer bottom and the top backing panel. These were 1/4" V.C. oak ply that I had leftover from a previous project.

All internal dimensions for the Tuba were the same as per Bill’s plans. However I deviated from the plan in a few areas:
- Obviously, the sides were extended up to accommodate the drawers and table top.
- Sides, Tuba top, bottom and table top were 3/4" ply.
- 1/4" deep rabbets instead of 1/8" were used to attached inside panels to sides
- 1/2" braces instead of 1/4"

Pre-Finishing

Horns are unique in that you have visual access to internal panels on the completed unit. I like to ensure that anything you see, even if it's in the back is finished consistently. Pre-finishing these internal panels and braces prior to assembly (or cutting) makes life a lot simpler.

Layout

Bill's plans make it straightforward to layout the horn-path on the side panels. However, instead of marking up the right and left side panels individually with measurement tools, it’s simpler and more accurate to mark one side and then transfer that directly to the second panel. I did this by extending all the key-lines out to the edge of the first panel, transfer the edge markings to the second, then use the edge marking to draw key-lines on the second panel.

By the way, Bill recommends you test for driver fit in the back chamber after glue up. I recommend you do that after layout before any cuts are made.

I also made the rough cut of the porthole right after dado cuts instead of after glue-up. Here why: tear-outs from a jigsaw happen on surface top. If you rough cut the porthole after glue-up, you risk tear-out on your outer surface. Rough-cut before glue-up allows you to cut from the inside of the panel where tear-out doesn’t matter (as much).

Tools and Jigs

I’m not saying you can’t build this sub without a tablesaw, but it makes life a whole lot easier if you had one. Bill said 90 degree cuts for internal panels are fine as long as there’s enough glue to fill the edges. But if you have a tablesaw, it’s very easy to cut exact angles. Just copy the angles from your side panels to your saw with a sliding bevel.

For routing out the dadoes on the side panels, a routing guide is indispensable. If you don’t have one already, spend 15 minutes to make one. It’ll save you hours. The routing guide works on exactly the same principle as a cutting board.

Glue-up

I did not use the dado-to-edge/slide-in-panel assembly method recommended by Bill. Dadoes were routed only where they were needed. Internal panels were first glued to one side panel and each other. The second side panel was then attached to the assembly. Rounding-over the edges of the internal panels helped a lot with fitting the second side panel. The 3/4" outer panels were rabbet down to fit the 1/2" dadoes.

Port Covers

Bill recommended that you trace the shape of the port from the inside onto a piece of material and cut it out freehand. In my efforts to make things more complicated than they need to be, I took a template approach. After flush cutting the port hole, cut a 7/16” rabbet. I used a template guide on my router and cut a template out on 1/4" hardboard. Template was then used to cut port covers. Use a block plane to shave down for a snug fit. Gaskets were cut from sub-flooring material.

Drawer

I was taught to fit drawers the old fashion way, meaning each panel edge is shaved down with a plane until you get a snug fit. Esoteric, but in this case, I thought it would be very important to ensure no rattles or buzz from the vibrations.

Dovetails are handcut. I learned how to cut dovetails over a year ago and have not practiced since then, so some of the corners are a little sloppy. I’ve never had much patient for blind dovetails so I cut a set of fake ones for the drawer front (ie. Cut through-dovetails then glue a panel over it)

Finish

Baltic birch does a decent imitation of cherry if stained properly. In this case, I used cherry coloured gel for the colouring. I fell in love with water-based aniline dye this summer but did not want to through the hassle of grain-raising for this project. Baltic birch is terrible when it come of fuzzing when hit with water. Kind of regret not using the aniline dye though as the gel stain does not even come close to the depth, uniformity and colour of dye.

I also love the new Miniwax Wipe-on finish I discovered this summer. However, it has a bit of that hard plastic shine that all poly finish tends to show. To soften up the finish, I first coat the surface with tung-oil and let it “semi-dry” for about three hours. Then I wipe on the Poly-Wipe to get a soft smooth and slippery finish. Three to four coats of Poly-Wipe usually does it. Always wipe everything off; never leave a film to dry to ensure a mark-free finish.

Final Thoughts

This project took me four full days (approx 40 hours) to complete, not including final finishing which took 15 minutes each day for another four consecutive days. Of course, I made it a lot more complicated than it needed to be. I’d imagine that if a builder had a couple of bass-reflex projects under his belt, a simple T18 would only take a full days, provided a tablesaw is available.

The design looks daunting at first, but it’s no more complicated than a very well braced BR sub. If you follow Bill’s plans for bracing, you end up with a very stiff and well braced box. In fact, walls and other furniture around the T18 tend to vibrate more than the T18 itself.

When I look at the unit now, there’s close to a hundred things I would have changed or wished I did better, but overall, I’m very happy on how it turned out.


Gar.


Re: Wow! Slip fit drawers! [message #29606 is a reply to message #29601] Mon, 12 September 2005 19:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bill Epstein is currently offline  Bill Epstein
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Air tight and the test was pulling a vacuum. Yeah, Gramps made me make a lot of those to get it right.
Hats off to GarMan for helping to preserve centuries old techniques.
So how does it sound?

Re: Tuba18 Sub [message #29608 is a reply to message #29601] Mon, 12 September 2005 22:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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GarMan,


I'm glad someone tackled this design.

I got about as far as the the 2 labyrinth panels
and then developed arthritis in my wrists.


The project just sits now.


But I'm curious as to what sort of sound you're getting
with it and what kind of plate amp you will use.


I started the project in MDF and don't have a good place to
work, nor do I have a good dust removal system. Right now
I've only got a couple bucks into the project. After looking
at all the measures, I wound up eyeballing quite a bit.

Bill says that these designs are mostly fitted one piece
at a time. The detail of sliding in the panels was an
excellent design concept. Fitz is something else.


So what do you hear?



How does it sound? [message #29609 is a reply to message #29608] Tue, 13 September 2005 08:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Lon,

I work outdoors and even then, MDF dust is a problem. Last I heard, you'll working with a rotary-tool instead of a real router, which can't be easy. Honestly, I don't recommend this T18 as a first project unless you have a lot of patience, willingness to learn, enjoy the process, and time to spend on it. For the right person, this can be a great and enjoyable learning experience. For others, it might be better for them to build a bass-reflex design.

Below is a thread where I worked with Bill to toubleshoot my T18. The thread contains the amp and driver used. I found the sub to be sensitive to placement and settings, but not difficult to set up.

I don't have a lot of benchmarks to judge how the T18 as I have no prior experience with other dedicated self-powered subs. I found the T18 to be a great match for my Studio One-PI's and also can go low enough to augment my Theatre 3-PI's for home theatre. There's plenty of headroom to match high eff speakers. With the PI speakers, gain setting on the plate amp was only at the 1 o'clock position.

In my rooms (and bass is very sensitive to rooms), I found the bass to be more laidback than forceful, enough to provide a foundation but not drawing attention to itself. I think some people would be very disappointed by this as it has very low "wow-factor" in its sound. For me, I'm more than happy to trade in "wow-factor" for livability, which this T18 has plenty of. It's hard to tell it's there, but you'll notice when it's not.

I would rate the output of the T18 to be better than my Theatre 3-PI but poorer than my JBL 2235H cabinets. The JBL goes deeper and sounds better than the T18, but the JBL's sit in 5 cubic ft cabinets and each driver costs $300-$350 used.

I think the T18 is a competent sub that's able to give very good performance with a $30-$50 driver in a relatively small package. If you enjoy woodworking, it's a fun project to build, but you've got to enjoy the process. Also, the design has high cool-factor and can certainly be a converation starter. I wouldn't go as far as to call it a novelty design because it does deliver on performance and value.

Gar.


Re: Wow! Slip fit drawers! [message #29610 is a reply to message #29606] Tue, 13 September 2005 13:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The only reason why I made it that way was because it's the only way I know how. And as you know, the difference between a snug fit and loose fit is only a few shave of a plane. I'd be happy if I never have to plane down the edge of BB ply again.

Clarification [message #29613 is a reply to message #29609] Wed, 14 September 2005 00:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quick clarification for those that may not be already familiar:

The Theater three π loudspeaker is a two-way design, not a subwoofer. I suppose it could be used as a sub, if the crossover were omitted. It provides response down to 30Hz, and has a nice response curve. But it was designed for use as a full-range loudspeaker.

If I were to recommend a physically small inexpensive subwoofer to match it with, I would suggest a LAB12 in a 3.5ft3 cabinet tuned to 22Hz. Crossover to the three π between 60Hz and 100Hz.


Re: Clarification [message #29614 is a reply to message #29613] Wed, 14 September 2005 09:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, the Theatre 3-PI I mention is a 2-way. I've been using mine for HT for over a year now and as mentioned in another thread, am very happy with it without augmentation with a subwoofer. I don't think it goes down all the way, but with a little bass-boost from the receiver, should satisfy a lot of users. In fact, I think the Theatre 3-PI might even go down lower than most mass marketed powered-subs you find in big-box stores.

Wayne, I think your recommendation with the LAB-12 in a BR is interesting in that it represents a great excercise to compare and contrast it with the T18.

In terms of box size, the 3.5 ft^3 you suggested for the LAB-12 is slightly larger than the 3 ft^3 of the T18, but for practical comparison, let's call them equal.

Where I see the two differ is that the LAB-12 sub relies on high quality and more expensive components (driver and amp) to perform while the T18 shifts performance responsibility to the cabinet.

LAB-12 BR = Big driver + High powered amp + simple box
T18 = Small driver + Low powered amp + complex box

If you're someone with the skills, tools and time to put together a T18 cabinet, you can save over $200 compared to the LAB-12 route. But it's not a simple cabinet to build and time is a scarce resource. For a lot of people, the extra cost of a sub like the LAB-12 BR is well worth it. I bet that if cabinets were sourced to a builder, both options would net out to approx the same amount.

Just some numbers I used for the comparison above:
T18: $50 driver, $75 amp, wood $60
LAB-12: $150 driver, $250 amp, wood $30

Gar.

Re: Clarification [message #29615 is a reply to message #29614] Wed, 14 September 2005 11:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I agree with you in some areas. But when you consider the price of your time, then a folded horn is a very expensive cabinet. I know my cabinetmaker charges me a whole lot more for a horn cabinet than even the most expensive drivers. So I think that's an important consideration. For DIY efforts, maybe less so, but still something to think about.

And really, down very low, a basshorn has issues. If the horn isn't huge, it doesn't provide very much horn loading in the bottom octave. It is more like a quarter-wave pipe, if even that. A very small horn used at low frequencies is basically a direct radiator in a fancy box. So driver performance is very important.


Re: Tuba18 Sub [message #29616 is a reply to message #29601] Wed, 14 September 2005 12:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Great job Gar. Simply wonderful! I just now took a minute to look at all the photo's. I'd like to give a listen when I'm in Toronto next.


Bill

Just because I'm in the mood to argue ... [message #29618 is a reply to message #29615] Wed, 14 September 2005 12:37 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Whether a folded horn is considered expensive depends on how you account for the time you spent on it. If you consider your time purely as an investment to build the horn, then yes, it is expensive. For me, I enjoy the process and see it as a pastime, like golfing. The fact that I spent four days building this sub instead of going out to the golf course meant that I actually ended up saving money. How's that for twisted economics.

I once justified to my wife that the money I've been spending on audio is cheaper and more innocent that other hobbies. I could be like some husbands who go out drinking and whoring every weekend. Not amused.

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