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lon is currently offline  lon
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Ok, I admit it: I bought one of those Vermont Mfg $4.00
router bits.


I think I started my depth too deep-- close to a quarter inch
in 1/2 in. MDF.


I'm using a rototool with this bit and worked pretty well
the fisrt few passes. Then on about the 4th usage (on one of
Bill Fitmaurice's desings that have rabbeted or dadoes slots)
I got a lot of smoke and a black channel where the bit overheated.

There was a hot cinder down in the shavings too. I kept an
eye on the whole work area not knowing if there was another
hotty around.


So my question is: Is the speed too high or low, the motor
not powerful enough (I had all those good passes) or is the
bit so poor it can only take a couple uses?



Re:Smoky the Bear, says"...... [message #29463 is a reply to message #29462] Sun, 24 April 2005 15:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BillEpstein is currently offline  BillEpstein
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I've started fires with 3 1/2 HP routers and 3/4" carbide bits turning at 22k.
The culprit is the heat that builds up in the compresed wood fibers and transfers to all that getting-denser-by-the-minute dust.
For dadoes use an upshear bit or clear the cut (back up the bit)every few inches. Rabbets should be ok. It;s when the dust has nowhere to go trouble starts.

May I offer one other note? [message #29464 is a reply to message #29463] Sun, 24 April 2005 16:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm thinking that a $4 VA bit is HSS - which means that it'll cut about 4 linear feet before it's so dull you could run it against places the sun don't shine without fear of signifigant harm

Re:Smoky the Bear, says"...... [message #29465 is a reply to message #29463] Sun, 24 April 2005 23:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Fires?


Jeez. :-/


I've avoided that but there still is noticeable burnt smell
in the shop from the workpiece.

There was a good breeze and the smoke got let out a window.

Smell hangs on though.


My rate of progress on this has been pretty slow.
I should let the workpiece air out someplace.

Next time I'll keep my kitchen fire extinguisher handy.



Re: May I offer one other note? [message #29466 is a reply to message #29464] Sun, 24 April 2005 23:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This is the craftsman forum, but, well until I know I can
do something, I'd rather experiment with entry level
product. Getting through all those zig zags on one of
Fitz's designs has been a big challenge for me.



Re: Smokey the Bear, says "How True, Mr. Lo" [message #29467 is a reply to message #29464] Mon, 25 April 2005 02:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The advantage to HSS is the ability to sharpen.
So, Lon, sharpen that thing!
And let the Sun shine in..........

You might be in a Catch-22 [message #29468 is a reply to message #29466] Mon, 25 April 2005 12:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GarMan is currently offline  GarMan
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Lon,

I understand completely. You don't want to invest in quality tool until you're sure you're able to do it and enjoy it enough to continue to do this.

BUT ... you're making it harder on yourself by using entry-level tools and it doesn't sound like it's much fun.

Do you know someone with a good quality router and bits that you can borrow from? Believe me, it makes the job a whole lot easier and more enjoyable.

Gar.

Re:Smoky the Bear, says"...... [message #29469 is a reply to message #29465] Mon, 25 April 2005 12:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This might be an urban legend, but I've heard stories where smothering ember, started by hot router bits, is sucked into a vaccum, burning down an entire shop.

Re:Smoky the Bear, says"...... [message #29471 is a reply to message #29469] Mon, 25 April 2005 23:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's probably true, not legend.

I had to look in the waste to see where the ember was
that I had to poke out. Where there was that much smoke,
there had to be some fire.


The rototool spins at around 17,000 rpm. First few
passes went ok. I'll have to upgrade the bit and
take a smaller pass. Hell, it's a hobby-- no rush.
But setup on this job for a bunch of zig zags is a
drag. I'm leaving it go for a few days.



Re: You might be in a Catch-22 [message #29472 is a reply to message #29468] Mon, 25 April 2005 23:33 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Do you know someone with a good quality router and bits that you can borrow from?

No.

Believe me, it makes the job a whole lot easier and more enjoyable.


It's good advice, but I live alone and in an apartment at that.
No friends with tools. When I meet somebody, I _ask_ them if
they have tools, no kidding. No takers.

Gar.

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