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Better to stay ANALOG!! [message #23733 is a reply to message #23730] Sat, 12 May 2007 08:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marlboro
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So for only $300, more than the cost of the Behringer to begin with, you can upgrade it to outstanding so that all those conversions back and forth from analog to digital to analog to digital to analog can be done right?

And remember that even if you do do that, then your CD player's DAC is probably the pits to begin with unless you own one of those $3000 players or paid someone $500 to convert your lowly cd player to some new high tech CD DAC.

How about making one conversion from digital to analog on your CD player. Use an analog crossover instead to avoid all those stinkin' back and forth conversions, each one losing more and more of the low level signal.

Try(brand spanking new):

Ashly XR2001
Stereo 3-Way, or Mono 4- or 5-Way Active Electronic Crossover

$539.99

or

Rane:
AC23B Active Crossover, Stereo 2 or 3-Way, Mono 4 or 5-Way $589.00

or

Build it yourself:

Marchland:
XM44-3EZK EZkit, 3-way model. $ 960.0 ($1200 if they build it)

Your choice.

For the models over $600 new, I'm sure you'll hear a difference. Of course you will, when you remember that you paid so much more money, and everyone knows the more you pay the better it is!

Marlboro

or ebay [message #23734 is a reply to message #23730] Sat, 12 May 2007 08:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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http://cgi.ebay.com/RANE-AC-23-Active-Crossover_W0QQitemZ200108165188QQihZ010QQcategoryZ23790QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

or if you hurry:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rane-AC-23-Crossover-Good-Condition-Low-Reserve_W0QQitemZ160114585819QQihZ006QQcategoryZ23790QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Re: DEX2496 or DCX2496 [message #23735 is a reply to message #23730] Sat, 12 May 2007 11:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
I've read just about every thread on the DCX, the DIYA forum, Yahoo groups, people are going 'mod crazy' on this thing as if it has
the black plague. Later, I bought one and did extensive audible tests
with the analog pathways and pure digital pathways up to the amps,
I can't find any real audible flaws with the sound no matter how hard I try to cannibalize the signal path. I've been into electronics
and audio game for many moons, this is really a good piece of gear for $250.
I think the mod people like to mod it because they can and it's cool,
electronics folks are like that, they need to do a mod to be happy.

The DCX is XLR input, to get the best low noise performance, feed a
preamp signal that is higher than most home audio gear supplies, ie,
home gear is typically 1v preouts. XLR is around 8v preouts. You can optimize the 'gain structure' by feeding it a nice preamp signal from an XLR source, ie Parasound Halo, certain B&K receivers, etc.

It's not mandatory, you can drive it with a 1v source just to get
started and play around, who knows you might like it alot like this.
But there is room to upgrade if you wish.

If you drive a home amp with DCX XLR outputs and your home amp is
RCA input, there is a simple cable mod to lower DCX output gain
so it won't drive your amp too high as it induces more hiss.

Special XLR to RCA cable -6dB output gain;

XLR Pin 1 = Shield ground => one RCA gnd.
XLR Pin 2 = Positive balanced signal => RCA hot
XLR Pin 3 = Negative balanced signal = don't connect

I made my XLR to RCA connectors with a switch that connects pin 3 to pin 1 to allow selection of output gain, normal or -6dB.

This simple cable mod worked nice when I connected the DCX to my
Adcom 555 amp. I got less 'hiss' as gain is reduced.

But now I drive DCX directly into the pro audio amps, XLR to XLR,
no cable mod.

I also use a Roland M1000 mixer [now discontinued], it's the
volume control when using the audio system in digital pathway mode.
This unit allowed to to easily test analog and digital pathways
instantly for quick comparison. This is a nice piece of gear
for $250, I have no idea why Roland discontinued it.


Re: DEX2496 or DCX2496 [message #23736 is a reply to message #23735] Sat, 12 May 2007 19:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rick Craig is currently offline  Rick Craig
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Thanks for your input on the Behringer. From time to time I get questions about running the arrays actively and my only experience is with the DEQX.

Re: Better to stay ANALOG!! [message #23737 is a reply to message #23733] Sat, 12 May 2007 22:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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With the Behringer you can take measurements and see the changes that you make in the crossover in the EQ. The analog systems don't have as much flexibility and you'll need a measurement system to optimize your results.

Certainly true...... Apex 220 & Fuzzmeasure 2.0.11, my choice. [message #23738 is a reply to message #23737] Sat, 12 May 2007 22:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marlboro
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That's certainly true. However, anyone who is building a line array should be willing to invest in a measurement system to tweak the system to its potential.

I use a calibrated Apex 220, with preamp, connected to my Powerbook. On my powerbook I use Chris Liscio's great Fuzzmeasure software. current version is 2.0.11.

I usually measure at the listening position rather than 1 meter from the speakers. Line arrays are kind of aways anyhow.

And, of course, while its not currently in my "loop", I have a DOD 2/3 octave constant Q equalizer. Altho, modifying the crossover position and volume can serve as a kind of tone control modification.

Tweaking in this way can be lots of fun and takes lots of time. I'm not currently set up for this, as I'm remodeling the room that my system is in.

Marlboro

Re: DEX2496 or DCX2496 [message #23739 is a reply to message #23735] Sun, 13 May 2007 03:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thank you for the valuable information . I just recieved my DCX 2496 today I guess it will take me a few days to get aquainted with the different controls . As you know already My arrays are Rick's RS 8 using 8 fountek ribbons and 8x 7" dayton RS 180 mid/bass , I guess Rick is going to help for the Xover adjustments , as for the DCX I'll post my questions when ready , I'll be happy to recieve as much info as possible as to what to start with , beiing a beginner in the field or active Xover .


Adjustment TO YOUR NEEDS [message #23740 is a reply to message #23739] Sun, 13 May 2007 07:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JP,

You may find, as THylantyr and I have, that you don't need to adjust very much, or that adjusting to YOUR taste is infinitely better than adjusting to some arbitrary assigned frequency response pattern.

After all, all of us humans have different hearing of frequency response across the board with some dips and rises in our perception of sound, regardless of what is actually being presented by speakers or amplifiers.

Right no I have a sinus infection in one ear and my total awareness of my system is vastly different from when I did not.

Marlboro

Re: Adjustment TO YOUR NEEDS [message #23741 is a reply to message #23740] Sun, 13 May 2007 10:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I do have a decision to make concerning the cabling .
All my equipment is unbalanced RCA's execpt the SIM AUDIO W5 power amp that has both XLR and RCA inputs but not my other amp the Dussun V8 that only has RCA . Is it wise to have the SIM (will handel the highs ) connected with XLR and Dussun (will handle the Lows )with RCA , or is it better just to ignore the XLR and only use all RCA's ?

no idea..... [message #23742 is a reply to message #23741] Sun, 13 May 2007 14:02 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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I have no idea what the best thing to do is. My Rane and the DOD equalizer have phone plugs which I converted to RCA's. I would defer to someone more knowedgeable like Rick or Thylantyr.

Marlboro

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