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Re: What Punk film? [was] Re: Funny How... [message #2233 is a reply to message #2232] Thu, 22 September 2005 13:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lon is currently offline  lon
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This whole thread did remind me of one of my all-time favorite
performers: Mose Allison.

He always falls into the cracks between jazz and blues.

Blues stations won't play him even though he's
written some of the classics.

What reminded me of Mose for this thread was his
relatively recent release called "Middle Class White Boy."


Notes: on listening to Punk. I got this from the writer of a
a punk zine who happens to live near here and I'm elaborating
a bit. Punk is not made to be listened to on $300 tube
amps and such. My friend Norb who had and has a punk band
said in one of his zines that (and this is from the early 80's)
that he had a kids 45 rpm record player-- the kind with a
big spindle/changer in the middle-- to play the new
releases that were sent to him for review. He figured that
was the only way to get the right sound and feel of some kid
who is 13 listening to thrash. He knew from playing it on
that phonograph from Penney's if it was raw enough.



Re: What Punk film? [was] Re: Funny How... [message #2235 is a reply to message #2233] Thu, 22 September 2005 16:06 Go to previous message
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I can see the developement of Punk musically as a response to Glitter and Stadium Bands and all the hype; but in this film one of the bandmembers said he thought it became more about conforming to Punk norms than about the music. But yes; I can definately see your point about the forty fives. I feel the same way about a lot of pop music from the early sixties; made to be heard on transistor radio's.

Mose is a talented guy but he really is a jazz performer more so than a Bluesman. I hate to sound imprudent but the Blues is a music of African Americans; thats just the way it is. Some guys latch on to a sound that compliments the music but they are still just wagging the dog.

Clapton/Johnny Winter/Paul Butterfield/ Duanne Allman..thats all great music but two seconds into a Muddy Waters song cleans the clock.
There is a funny lag to the beat; it's not a grace note but more like a hesitation that white guys can't get. Lightin' Hopkins used to deliberately drag that hesitation out so that no one could follow his style and copy it. It's very noticeable if you listen for it. IFC has a good show about that. The producers of Fat Possum Records does a thing with R.L. Burnside and in this show they play with his regular band then with the Spencer Blues Explosion; that pretty much illustrates my point.

Mose's timing is jazz inflected; this is not to knock him he is very good.
We need more discussion about music; not just I like it or I don't like it. I don't think people have to be experts to have an opinion and listen carefully.

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