What's Vintage Sound? [message #21539] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 08:54 |
GarMan
Messages: 960 Registered: May 2009
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I've heard the term tossed around a bit but not sure what it really means. Can anyone provide a description, be it technical or not?
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Re: What's Vintage Sound? [message #21545 is a reply to message #21544] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 12:01 |
GarMan
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MB, I'm of the believe that anything and everything can be quantified. The issue is, are we measuring the right things and are the measurements interpreted correctly? Going back to vintage sound, I was looking for both quantitative and qualitative descriptions. Quantitative could be in the form of frequency extension, frequency response, sensitivity, dynamics, directivity, etc. To tell you the truth, I don't really know what I mean by vintage sound. It's a term I've heard used more than once and was interested in what it refered to.
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Re: What's Vintage Sound? [message #21546 is a reply to message #21545] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 13:49 |
Manualblock
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G-Man; would that concept not in and of itself be contradictory in nature? To say we are measuring something but we are not sure if that something we measure is the right thing or is interpreted correctly? Would you not have to have some assurance that for a measurement to have meaning it must be measuring some exact quantity then assigning to that quantity a correct interpretation? Otherwise; what are we measuring? Mechanical parameters and nothing more. Thats why they remain pretty much useless as a way to qauge sound quality. But as far as vintage sound; I have no idea either what that could mean. Thats why I suggested some of the popular speakers of yesterday as a reliable indicator of what people might mean by that term. Maybe if you used say an example someone offered regarding a particular speaker. Then again it occurs to me that Klipschorns are vintage as well as Quads; and they hold up pretty good in modern terms soundwise. Nothing like the big closed box speaks of yesteryear. So maybe what you ask is a sound that pertains to a specific design style. What was it that brought this up? You know there was a very thorough comparison in Listener magazine between two systems; one called "modern" and one "vintage". It addresses your question if I remmember correctly. They used Quads for the vintage and I believe Audio Physics for the modern.
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Re: What's Vintage Sound? [message #21548 is a reply to message #21539] |
Thu, 01 June 2006 07:24 |
hurdy_gurdyman
Messages: 416 Registered: May 2009
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I doubt if there is one sound that could be used to represent "vintag sound". Look at big classics like Jensen Imperials, EV Patritions,EV Georgains, Centurion, EV Aristocrat, Altec VOTTs, Klipschorns, La Scalas, and Heresys all from the 50's/60's era. Then compare those to AR, Advent, Koss and Fisher air suspension speakers from the same era. Not even close to the same sound. And then there's Quad electrostatics, Bozak Concert Grand IB's, Wharfdale, Karlsons and many others, all sounding different. If anything, I'd say the vintage sound means a highly varied sound covering almost everything. Dave
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Re: What's Vintage Sound? [message #21550 is a reply to message #21549] |
Thu, 01 June 2006 13:32 |
hurdy_gurdyman
Messages: 416 Registered: May 2009
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I have heard almost half of these speakers at one time or another and agree that they can all sound good. Some of my favorite speakers are vintage EV fullrange drivers. I just think that no one word (or group of words) can describe such a wide variation of different sounding speakers. They did make some great drivers and system designs back then, didn't they. I've heard "vintage sound" being used in both complementary and degrading sentences. Guess it just depends on where you're coming from. Dave
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Re: What's Vintage Sound? [message #21552 is a reply to message #21541] |
Thu, 01 June 2006 21:15 |
doucanoe
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I agree with your assessment Wayne. I happen to enjoy a somewhat rolled off high end personally. The midrange is where I live but I need to have a nice low end present to complete the package. It doesn't need to be subwoofer low but present and tuneful. Thats what I get using EV and Altec drivers. My EV 12trx's, SP15's and SP12B's give me what I would refer to as "vintage" sound. Not everyones cup of tea but it works for me. RC
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