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Re: Horns, transmission lines and reflex cabinets [message #21248 is a reply to message #21244] |
Fri, 19 August 2005 08:05 |
Retsel
Messages: 23 Registered: May 2009
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Answer me this one question. When you place Lowther DX4s in tranmission line cabinets, do you need to pad down the upper frequencies or does the cabinet bring up the bass sufficiently to match the upper frequencies so that no equalization is required? Retsel
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Re: Horns, transmission lines and reflex cabinets [message #21250 is a reply to message #21248] |
Sat, 20 August 2005 06:22 |
Martin
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When you place Lowther DX4s in tranmission line cabinets, do you need to pad down the upper frequencies or does the cabinet bring up the bass sufficiently to match the upper frequencies so that no equalization is required? In all the designs I have built and measured, you need to pad down the upper frequencies with a correction circuit. The cabinet can be designed to produce bass equal in efficiency to the driver radiating into 2 pi space. However, by placing the enclosure out in a room the baffle step will exist which requires correction. Martin
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Mouth Area and Cut-Off Frequency [message #21251 is a reply to message #21240] |
Sat, 20 August 2005 14:16 |
Martin
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For your mouth area, and assuming only floor reinforcement, I get a lower cut-off frequency of 172.5 Hz. The only way I can get your 86Hz is if I assume the speaker is flush against a side wall also. My guess is that your Hedlund horn is really acting like a TL below 200 Hz and transitions to a horn above this frequency. I would also speculate that you are probably getting weak bass and could use a BSC circuit to help tame the rising mid and high frequency response of the DX4 driver, this is probably why you are using a sub woofer to help the low end. With a good BSC circuit design, the sub woofer may not always be needed unless you really want to play bass heavy music. Martin
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Re: Mouth Area and Cut-Off Frequency [message #21252 is a reply to message #21251] |
Mon, 22 August 2005 08:31 |
Retsel
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You are right. I mistakenly used an equation that already assumed 1/4 pi space and I was doubling the horn opening thinking that it was not. However, I do not need to pad down upper frequencies in the Hedlund Horn to get balanced reponse. The Hedlund Horn is balanced from 80 - 100 hz up to 10 khz. Perhaps there is a combination of horn and tranmission line bass which gives the balance that the Hedlund Horn enjoys, or perhaps it is the room reinforcement. This is not just to my ears but to any who have heard my system. The subwoofer I was using does not provide much boost for the mid bass as I was crossing it over at 38 hz with a third order crossover. The subwoofer is very desirable, though, for most all music. Retsel
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Re: Mouth Area and Cut-Off Frequency [message #21263 is a reply to message #21261] |
Fri, 26 August 2005 09:17 |
Retsel
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Thanks for the suggestion and some day I may try one, and if I do I would just try to borrow one to see if I would like it. I am skeptical. I am skeptical because I am much more sensitive to transparency then most audiophiles. I work to remove as much from the signal path as possible. For example, years ago when people were raving about the Genesis digital lens, I tried one in my system and immediately removed it because it reduced the transparency of the sound. In recent years I have been soldering or terminating my speaker wires and interconnects directly to my components to avoid the RCA connectors or speaker binding posts which rob the sound of its transparency. I wired my SACD player to remove all resistors from the signal path. I go directly from the digital chip through a set of mu metal transformers to the output. Thus, I am pretty aware of what I would like and what I would not like. I probably would not tolerate such a device in the signal path. The upshot from taking these actions is that the sound from my system is amazing. Retsel
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