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Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? [message #21178 is a reply to message #21086]

Sun, 07 August 2005 07:06

bob pace
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Registered: May 2009

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I saw your thread and read it, noting as usual some folks give opinions based on theory instead of experience. To my way of thinking, if you have not listened to a particular speaker, amp, or anything else, you cannot accurately describe how that particular product performs. I just happened to be in Florence last week on business and to make a long story short Ed Shilling was gracious enough to invite me over for a listen to his single driver horn speakers.

First of all, those horn speakers will play metal at insane volumes - 108 db peaks measured at 14 feet from the speakers - undistorted. Metal at that volume is not my cup of tea, but they will do it. Ed had 3 amplifiers available to listen to - a First Watt 10 WPC solid state, a Pass 150G 150 WPC solid state, and an Audio Note 7 WPC 300B tube amp. Each amp sounded different, the 150G drove the speakers to the 108db peaks, the 300B amp got them to a respectable 102 db as well. Both solid state amps sounded a bit strident at higher volumes - not overly so, and the 300B seemed to tame that characteristic completely. Overall the 300B was the best - in my opinion - once it warmed for 30 minutes everything just came together. The sound was open, dynamic, and 3 diminsional. The bass is adequate and very tunable by room position with adequate treble extension as well. The bass is not there below say 40 hertz, so if you want the low bass that is more felt than heard, you will need to augment it with a subwoofer. Most folks don't know the difference between real bass below 40 hertz and a bass peak around 60 to 100 hertz and won't miss it. I would compare these to a pair of JM Labs Micro Utopias - high dollar monitor speakers that sell for $6500 a pair and have similar bass response but are not quite as dynamic. I have listened to the Micro Utopias enough to make this statement. As far as looks go, the JM Labs are the hands down winner, although the new veneer finish is very attractive.

If I was not already addicted to the lower octive bass and completely satisfied with my current speakers, I would purchase these immedietely and find out if they would work in my listening room. At under $800 a pair, they are quite a bargain in the world of high end audio.

This is of course opinion on my part and I don't expect everyone to agree with my opinions. The key difference is I actually listened to the speakers before voicing that opinion.

Bob

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		Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: Bob Brines on Tue, 26 July 2005 07:25
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: Martin on Tue, 26 July 2005 10:33
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: Wayne Parham on Tue, 26 July 2005 14:25
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: Bob Brines on Tue, 26 July 2005 15:29
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: Manualblock on Tue, 26 July 2005 18:58
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: Wayne Parham on Tue, 26 July 2005 22:55
		Cone resonances. By: Mike.e on Sun, 31 July 2005 23:20
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: akhilesh on Tue, 26 July 2005 23:53
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: akhilesh on Tue, 26 July 2005 12:14
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: Martin on Tue, 26 July 2005 12:44
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: akhilesh on Tue, 26 July 2005 23:46
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: Ozzy on Tue, 26 July 2005 17:03
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: akhilesh on Tue, 26 July 2005 23:39
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: zobsky on Wed, 27 July 2005 21:36
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: Bob Brines on Thu, 28 July 2005 05:42
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: zobsky on Thu, 28 July 2005 12:18
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: akhilesh on Thu, 28 July 2005 08:14
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: roncla on Sat, 30 July 2005 11:02
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: akhilesh on Sun, 31 July 2005 07:30
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: roncla on Tue, 26 July 2005 16:01
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: roncla on Tue, 26 July 2005 16:08
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: Ed Schilling on Thu, 28 July 2005 12:47
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: Wayne Parham on Thu, 28 July 2005 13:32
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: Ed Schilling on Thu, 28 July 2005 15:21
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: akhilesh on Thu, 28 July 2005 22:58
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: FredT on Fri, 29 July 2005 05:43
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: Kim Schultz on Fri, 29 July 2005 00:40
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: JLM on Fri, 29 July 2005 03:38
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: Martin on Sun, 31 July 2005 14:56
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: Ed Schilling on Mon, 01 August 2005 19:58
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: Martin on Tue, 02 August 2005 18:22
		Thank you Martin.....page 1 By: Ed Schilling on Tue, 02 August 2005 18:51
		.page 2 By: Ed Schilling on Tue, 02 August 2005 20:10
		my tone.... By: Ed Schilling on Wed, 03 August 2005 07:43
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: roncla on Sun, 07 August 2005 07:34
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: Regal on Thu, 28 July 2005 17:46
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: JLM on Fri, 29 July 2005 04:42
		You obviously haven't heard a pair of Carolina Audio speakers. By: GTF on Sat, 30 July 2005 07:22
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: bacobits on Sat, 30 July 2005 07:59
		hornets nest By: hurdy_gurdyman on Tue, 02 August 2005 09:49
		Re: hornets nest By: Manualblock on Tue, 02 August 2005 12:15
		Re: hornets nest By: hurdy_gurdyman on Tue, 02 August 2005 14:29
		Re: hornets nest By: Wayne Parham on Tue, 02 August 2005 15:43
		Re: hornets nest By: Manualblock on Tue, 02 August 2005 18:06
		Re: hornets nest By: Wayne Parham on Tue, 02 August 2005 20:41
		Re: hornets nest By: hurdy_gurdyman on Tue, 02 August 2005 20:58
		Re: hornets nest By: Wayne Parham on Wed, 03 August 2005 01:29
		Re: hornets nest By: hurdy_gurdyman on Wed, 03 August 2005 07:33
		Re: hornets nest By: Manualblock on Wed, 03 August 2005 08:16
		Re: hornets nest By: hurdy_gurdyman on Wed, 03 August 2005 09:08
		SOme comments on this thread By: akhilesh on Thu, 04 August 2005 11:35
		Re: SOme comments on this thread By: Manualblock on Thu, 04 August 2005 16:20
		Re: SOme comments on this thread By: akhilesh on Fri, 05 August 2005 07:40
		Re: SOme comments on this thread By: Martin on Thu, 04 August 2005 17:58
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: Retsel on Wed, 03 August 2005 13:58
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: akhilesh on Thu, 04 August 2005 11:24
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: Retsel on Thu, 04 August 2005 12:09
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: akhilesh on Thu, 04 August 2005 15:47
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: hurdy_gurdyman on Thu, 04 August 2005 21:33
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: akhilesh on Fri, 05 August 2005 07:39
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: Retsel on Fri, 05 August 2005 09:13
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: Martin on Thu, 04 August 2005 18:08
		a good question By: Ed Schilling on Fri, 05 August 2005 00:14
		Re: a good question By: roncla on Fri, 05 August 2005 05:25
		Thank You, Ron By: Ed Schilling on Fri, 05 August 2005 12:53
		Re: Thank You, Ron By: roncla on Fri, 05 August 2005 13:49
		Re: Thank You, Ron By: roncla on Fri, 05 August 2005 13:58
		Re: a good question By: Martin on Fri, 05 August 2005 05:26
		Re: a good question By: roncla on Fri, 05 August 2005 05:51
		Re: a good question By: JLM on Sat, 06 August 2005 08:04
		Re: a good question By: roncla on Sat, 06 August 2005 08:43
		Re: a good question By: akhilesh on Fri, 05 August 2005 12:36
		Re: a good question By: Ed Schilling on Fri, 05 August 2005 22:48
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: akhilesh on Fri, 05 August 2005 07:39
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: Retsel on Fri, 05 August 2005 08:56
		Ok Boys, read this........ By: Ed Schilling on Sat, 06 August 2005 12:02
		Re: Ok Boys, read this........ By: Wayne Parham on Sun, 07 August 2005 03:03
		Re: Ok Boys, read this........ By: Ed Schilling on Sun, 07 August 2005 08:31
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: Greg B on Sat, 06 August 2005 12:15
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: Ed Schilling on Sat, 06 August 2005 12:27
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: Greg B on Sat, 06 August 2005 14:44
		10-4 ! By: Ed Schilling on Sat, 06 August 2005 14:53
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: Wayne Parham on Sun, 07 August 2005 03:01
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: bob pace on Sun, 07 August 2005 07:06
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: Wayne Parham on Sun, 07 August 2005 07:57
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: bob pace on Sun, 07 August 2005 13:06
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: Wayne Parham on Sun, 07 August 2005 13:59
		Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? By: hurdy_gurdyman on Sun, 07 August 2005 14:50
		Further thoughts on peaks and some clarifying questions By: akhilesh on Mon, 08 August 2005 01:42
		Re: Further thoughts on peaks and some clarifying questions By: bob pace on Thu, 11 August 2005 13:47
		Maximum SPL charts By: Wayne Parham on Mon, 12 September 2005 06:02

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