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Thank you Martin.....page 1 [message #21130 is a reply to message #21129] Tue, 02 August 2005 18:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ed Schilling is currently offline  Ed Schilling
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Martin,
This was much nicer! I will address each point you make in detail in "page 2" because your questions deserve "real answers". Thank you for the opportunity to explain the things you have a problem with. Give me a couple hours. Thanks for acknowledging my e-mails........you needed to know the time line in order to know I had no intent to "stir the pot" as you thought.
Ed
BTW....read MY post again concerning roll off, I said "more like 20 db/octave"...in response to Jeffs reading of the graph.....he said 12. And I was not trying to claim the theoretical number...more like what I have seen....The 30 figure was a mistake....did I post that?

.page 2 [message #21131 is a reply to message #21130] Tue, 02 August 2005 20:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ed Schilling is currently offline  Ed Schilling
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Martin,
1. The only thing you need to know is "The Redneck Jackal" name was a result of me being nice to an ass........long story. It's an inside joke. For some old posters at Decware. I could give a Rat's Ass if people don't get it. It was all in fun and if people hold it against me, well, so be it. Why would you bring that up? What does it have to do with my post here?

About Jeff....well...... he is too smart to not know how his posts come across. I think he is "very good". You should not have made me point this out.

2. Well, like I said Enter Sandman........I don't know the FR response of the song.....it just sounds real. They are 50Hz corner horns. Read the posts at Decware....people have heard the levels I claim. As to measured response? There is a graph posted at Decware. I don't think Richard (TNT) had an X150....or any comparable amp..... What you can do is read through the posts at Decware again and read what people who have actually heard what I claim have to say. Will you not take their word for the levels I claim and that the sound was "balanced" and that I did not have a sub hooked up. What more do you need? I stated a figure, people have heard it, and they will say so, but if you don't believe either them or me? So be it. I stand by my reply to Bob's post....( some) single drivers can do Metal!

3 as noted in page 1....I said to Jeffs' post...."more like 20 db/octave below cutoff"
Now really, Martin....just because I didn't say "exactly" 24 but simply spoke in "plain English" you are going to point it out......gee, sorry. But how do you know that my BLH doesn't roll off at that rate....because of your calculations? Have you measured the rolloff of mine? No? well then you should not assume you know more than me. I think some one else said 30....might be my fault but for the record I did not say that anywhere, I do not think.

4 Now that, you will have to convince me on......but I will not call you names or point out where I think you are in error....you might be right but I think there is about a snowballs' chance in Hell a sim is going to tell you how a given design that is not even real will actually sound in a room....call me a cynic.

5 That is simply completely wrong, The gains are all below 200....sorry that your guess is wrong....There is very little gain from the horn above 200. It is ALL below 200. I simply do not need your confirmation of what I hear every day and have measured. I don't need to prove it to you or anyone.....it is not hard to hear. Again, the SPLs I claim have been seen, measured, and heard by many people. I never said 105 @30 hz.....I said they can play Metallica (metal) at those levels all day long, 8 ft from the speakers.....and sound balanced and not "thin" or distorted.

And my question to you is....why did you reply to my post in the first place? You did not dispute anything I said in the post per se....you just attacked and accused me of stuff I didn't do including getting technical "facts" wrong. I was much "nicer" in my reply to Bob's post than you were to mine. Why is that? Because you thought I had an "agenda", trying to "stir the pot". Well, nope.....I was simply giving my opinion as I said at the end of the post.
But no big deal............One thing though, you said something about coming across as a "professional", well see, that, I'm not too worried about............most everyone already knows how I am.......A regular guy.
Ed

Re: hornets nest [message #21132 is a reply to message #21128] Tue, 02 August 2005 20:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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I'm just making the point that I'd rather have a discussion about what things work and why than a series of exchanges like "mine is better than yours." To use the car analogy again, if we talk about cam profiles, intake and exhaust types and sizes, etc, we can probably be more useful than to just say my car will kick your car's butt.


Re: hornets nest [message #21133 is a reply to message #21132] Tue, 02 August 2005 20:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, I'll brag right now that MY Ford Escort is slower than your car. Especially with it's 100% factory cam and everything!

Dave

Re: hornets nest [message #21134 is a reply to message #21133] Wed, 03 August 2005 01:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Maybe this is yours?



Re: hornets nest [message #21135 is a reply to message #21134] Wed, 03 August 2005 07:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'd trade cars any day. Mine is an old white 94 Escort wagon. It's starting to show a little rust around the edges, but still runs great. With the stock engine, it could only compete with go-carts and such (barely.)

Dave

my tone.... [message #21136 is a reply to message #21131] Wed, 03 August 2005 07:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ed Schilling is currently offline  Ed Schilling
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Please do not mistake my writing style for having a nasty tone to it. The way I ask questions and reply sometimes is taken "the wrong way". I even see how that could be so when I go back later and read my own stuff! There was no "tone" intended in Page 1 and 2....please don't think I intended anything other than to try to answer the questions as I see it. For the record Martin, I can see how you'd be skeptical of my claims.....but that's OK too!
Ed

Re: hornets nest [message #21137 is a reply to message #21135] Wed, 03 August 2005 08:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I drive a 1993 Buick Roadmaster Station wagon with the fake wood sides. I think that allows me into the dumbest car competition; no?
My son and his freinds all hide when they see me coming. All the rubber side bumpers are dangling also.

Re: hornets nest [message #21138 is a reply to message #21137] Wed, 03 August 2005 09:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Me, I don't care what my car looks like as long as it runs reliably and always gets me there.

Now my motorcycle, on the other hand, has to look nice.

Dave

Re: Why won't a single driver speaker do metal? [message #21139 is a reply to message #21086] Wed, 03 August 2005 13:58 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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I have Lowther DX4s and I use them in Hedlund Horns and also on open baffles. In both cases I high pass (70 - 100 hz) the Lowthers and use a sub/woofers underneath. Keeping the low frequency material out of the Lowthers keeps the midrange free of doppler distortion enabling them to play at high sound levels very cleanly. The dynamics are stunning. Therefore, they can play "metal" quite successfully. Clearly I am using my Lowther drivers as wide range drivers instead of full range drivers. But this is best anyways.

There are people who get bass down to the 30s with the Lowthers in certain backhorns, such as the Big Fun Horn. I have not heard these speakers though. I still think that highpassing the Lowthers is best.

Retsel

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