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Re: fullrange single driver help please!! [message #21013 is a reply to message #21001] |
Mon, 13 June 2005 17:17 |
robertG
Messages: 24 Registered: May 2009
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The rising response in full-range (larger) drivers is a necessary evil. The cone needs a very powerfull motor system, meaning large magnet, very light cone and tight tolerances. A high power to weight ratio. That's the only way a driver can hope to deliver both bass and treble at the same time. The resulting very low Q value driver needs to be mated to an enclosure that will enhance the bass and mids to match the treble output. Welcome the back horn. But all drivers are not that bad! First of all, allow for proper break-in. The use the right enclosure. And the right amplifier (such as a low damping factor tube amp). If using a SS amp (as I do on my FE168EZ), try a (series) 4 to 10 ohms non-inductive resistor. In my case, I noticed what seemed like a 6dB boost in bass, and a "magic" drop in low treb output, while retaining vry HF sound.
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Re: fullrange single driver help please!! [message #21014 is a reply to message #21013] |
Tue, 14 June 2005 05:09 |
Martin
Messages: 220 Registered: May 2009
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"If using a SS amp (as I do on my FE168EZ), try a (series) 4 to 10 ohms non-inductive resistor. In my case, I noticed what seemed like a 6dB boost in bass, and a "magic" drop in low treb output, while retaining vry HF sound." At the very low frequencies where the electrical impedance at the driver terminals is high due to the system resonance(s) and at the high end where the electrical impedance is rising due to the voice coil inductance, the series resistor has almost no effect on SPL. In the middle frequencies, a voltage division occurs between the series resistor and the driver impedance to shelve down the SPL output. So at the top and bottom end the SPL is not really changed, only in the midrange is there a reduction in SPL. The speakers efficiency is changed different amounts at different frequencies depending on the electrical impedance of the speaker. There is never an increase in SPL output. You are depending on the drivers impedance curve to rebalance the SPL output. If you use a Zobel across the terminals and a BSC circuit (with parallel cap) in series you have a bit more control over when the SPL is reduced and then allowed to rise. This is the next level of refinement to just adding a series resistor and you should be able to make another improvement in performance. Martin
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Re: fullrange single driver please help, saved!!!! [message #21029 is a reply to message #21028] |
Sat, 18 June 2005 18:43 |
Martin
Messages: 220 Registered: May 2009
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Hi Peter, Glad things worked out so well. The BSC circuit is such a simple method for adjusting the relative volume produce by the speaker at different frequencies. It rebalances the SPL curve. I agree with your comment that nothing is lost, nothing is added either, and as an additional benefit it helps smooth the slight phase shifts around the baffle step frequency. Unfortunately, the BSC circuit has a bad reputation and purists constantly criticize its use in full range speaker systems. They must like that very forward midrange sound. Thanks for the feedback, Martin
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Re: fullrange single driver please help, saved!!!! [message #21031 is a reply to message #21030] |
Mon, 20 June 2005 10:29 |
Martin
Messages: 220 Registered: May 2009
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Hi akhilesh, "ANother person saved!" A new member of the super secret full range driver cult of the BSC filter. I hope the purists don't catch and subject him to a shouty piercing full range system running straight off the amp until he is reprogrammed. Martin
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Re: fullrange single driver please help, saved!!!! [message #21033 is a reply to message #21032] |
Mon, 20 June 2005 13:27 |
Martin
Messages: 220 Registered: May 2009
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akhilesh, There is some real truth in what you say, that loud midrange can really lure you into thinking the speaker is more revealing and dynamic. It can sound great, it sounds way different then anything else you have ever heard, unfortunately it is also not realistic. Martin
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