Any theories out there as to why the LS-8's sound so much smoother in the highs? It sounds more like a good tweeter playing (I am not using a tweeter with them at this time.) The LS-12's always sounded a bit dull on top without a tweeter added, and had a noticably harder treble in it's range. I'm not saying it sounded bad (it didn't), only that the 8's are better.
In fact, the 8's are smoother and more natural throughout their range. You can hear a family resemblence, but the 8's are definatly a more refined sound. Now I need to figure out why.

Dave

Dave

This is just a guess so don't take my word for it maybe somebody that does recones around here will chime in and explain it better.

Bill W.

Dave

Without the benefit of such instrumentation to see what's happening, understanding and improvement becomes a little more empirical. I've never been a big fan of the idea of doping cones and other modifications like that, but my reason has been that it is hard to do hand modifications consistently. Two similar-looking modifications might cause two completely different characteristics. And I've also typically been dealing with products from companies like Eminence and JBL, both having instruments like Klippel systems to assist them in their design and test processes. They've just had better visibility than I've had, so I implemented components they provided, as-is. But you're dealing with components that were developed at a time when none of this was available. In a very real sense, you have better tools and equipment available to you than the manufacturer did.

I don't know why I got off on that tangent, since it really isn't directly related to what you're talking about. The point I was really trying to make is that whizzer cones are an effort to make use of breakup modes in a controlled fashion. Even speakers without whizzer cones, if used as full-range drivers, are intended to be used well past the point where the cone operates as a rigid piston. The cones are designed to flex gracefully, and so that each decoupled region will resonate in a well-damped mode. The idea is to have small-mass resonances that serve to extend response without having any that are aggressive enough to create sharp response spikes.

Now days, a computer model can be made that does a magnificant job of showing how the speaker will behave. Fast motion laser video can be used to literally watch the cone in motion at various frequencies. But prior to modern times when things like those weren't possible, the best thing an engineer could do would be to analyze the structure. It's a lot of minutia work and analysis to find a simple resonant system, and what we're really talking about here is a whole bunch of them coupled together to form a complex system.

So that brings me to "why." My guess is that the answer is the cones act differently in the vocal and overtone region as they flex in various twisting modes. They form rippling patterns like waves of water in a pond when excited by a rock being thrown into them. Shape the ponds differently, and the reflections from their shores make different ripple patterns. The patterns are repeatable when the surface is static and a rock is thrown in the same place with the same intensity. But two differently shaped ponds make two different patterns, and this is kinda like what is happening with the two different speaker cones.

I'm looking forward to getting a pair of MC-8's to compare with the LS-8's. The MC-8's are a newer ceramic magnet replacement for the LS-8's with lower Qts and smaller voice coil, different shaped whizzer. Did EV's newer stuff get better, or did they go downhill with the cutting corners thing? Did newer tecnology make a better driver? I'll be finding out soon.

Dave