Re: And my 2ยข more [message #1837 is a reply to message #1836] |
Sun, 29 May 2005 13:48 |
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Wayne Parham
Messages: 18793 Registered: January 2001
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Too many variables to know what's up with your particular setup, and that was precisely my point. Different drivers will act differently, both in cabinet tuning and interaction with the horn and crossover. What works with your drivers may or may not work when other models are used.If you're running a second-order on the woofer, the output from the crossover measured across the woofer voice coil probably has a significant peak somewhere near the crossover point. Look at pages 14 and 15 of this crossover lab document to see what I mean. If the driver and horn are falling off about the same place, then crossover peaking may help boost the top end, I suppose. That would make summing through the crossover difficult to predict, so the only way you'd know is to check it and see. This is all very implementation specific, and that was the point I wanted to make.
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Wow! Makes my wittle head spin! [message #1838 is a reply to message #1834] |
Sun, 29 May 2005 15:36 |
wunhuanglo
Messages: 912 Registered: May 2009
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Like when the mean ol' putty 'tat chases me around the room. In fairness to Dickinson (though I don't feel particularly charitable toward him) he was writing for theater owners and installers to convince them that the old stuff didn't have to be replaced to continue to provide satisfactory service - I don't know if Dickinson has the horsepower or not, but he might have written differently if it was written for speaker designers. Me, I got no horsepower whatsoever. While I'm trying to digest this I want to ask a follow-up question: are these issues addressable by equalization? Not many active XOs (until the digital revolution ) had selectable slopes, etc... Or put another way, is EQ a brute force way to address the kinds of things you're talking about with active analog XO that would be better addressed by the use of digital EQ that can be highly tailored? Hope that makes sense?
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Re: Understood - any comment about the EQ question? [message #1842 is a reply to message #1841] |
Mon, 30 May 2005 10:18 |
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Wayne Parham
Messages: 18793 Registered: January 2001
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When there is interference between subsystems, you can't EQ that out. When two drivers cancel, the more energy you throw at them, the more there is to cancel. So if a crossover isn't setup properly, no amount if EQ can help.If there is resonant peaking, that can be reduced by EQ. If there is rolled off response because of mechanical mass or inductance, that can be EQ'ed. But if there are ripples in the crossover region, that's not something you can equalize away.
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