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Re: Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing [message #18393 is a reply to message #18392]

Wed, 11 January 2006 12:10

Manualblock
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I agree with the analysis and understand the position that our measurement devices will accurately describe those aspects of a signal they define . It's just that if we know anything in science it is that we don't know everything.
So yes; since it cannot at this time with our capabilities be described then you could say it lies within the realm of philosophy. Until that day comes when something new is discovered and the concepts revert back to the world of science.
I think our instruments are still rather crude; think of all the ways the brain can distinguish sensory phenomena more delicate than any device can.
There must be a reason some SS sounds different than other SS stuff does.
The second mandate is this; if tubes sound more like music how can they be altering the signal to make the sound less like music??. It's a total contradiction of logic.
Thats the part no one seems able to explain to any real satisfaction.
I don't contradict anyother point of veiw here; this is my inability to rationalise the argument.
I seek to take the impressions of sound out of the restrictions created by a sense of expectation that typically would accompany any test conducted by people in the hobby who have pre-conceived expectations.
Thats why I suggested using neophyte's who are familiar with music and musical instrumentation. A stradivarious plays the same frequencies that a cheap violin plays; so how come all agree it sounds better?
Every component measureable by instruments is there in both examples; but one sounds better...why?

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		Updated the crossovers on my K-orns to spec By: akhilesh on Sun, 01 January 2006 22:37
		Re: Updated the crossovers on my K-orns to spec By: hurdy_gurdyman on Mon, 02 January 2006 08:22
		Re: Updated the crossovers on my K-orns to spec By: akhilesh on Mon, 02 January 2006 11:09
		Re: Updated the crossovers on my K-orns to spec By: Manualblock on Tue, 03 January 2006 17:22
		Re: Updated the crossovers on my K-orns to spec By: akhilesh on Fri, 06 January 2006 11:06
		Re: Updated the crossovers on my K-orns to spec By: Manualblock on Fri, 06 January 2006 12:12
		Re: Updated the crossovers on my K-orns to spec By: Bob Brines on Fri, 06 January 2006 14:55
		Tube amps versus SOLID state By: akhilesh on Sat, 07 January 2006 10:55
		Re: Tube amps versus SOLID state By: Manualblock on Sat, 07 January 2006 11:59
		Re: Tube amps versus SOLID state By: akhilesh on Mon, 09 January 2006 10:37
		Re: Tube amps versus SOLID state By: Manualblock on Mon, 09 January 2006 13:57
		Re: Tube amps versus SOLID state By: akhilesh on Mon, 09 January 2006 14:44
		Re: Tube amps versus SOLID state By: GarMan on Mon, 09 January 2006 14:51
		Re: Tube amps versus SOLID state By: Manualblock on Mon, 09 January 2006 17:24
		Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing By: akhilesh on Tue, 10 January 2006 11:05
		Re: Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing By: Manualblock on Tue, 10 January 2006 13:02
		Re: Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing By: akhilesh on Wed, 11 January 2006 11:07
		Re: Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing By: Manualblock on Wed, 11 January 2006 12:10
		Re: Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing By: akhilesh on Wed, 11 January 2006 15:35
		Re: Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing By: Bob Brines on Wed, 11 January 2006 16:05
		Re: Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing By: Manualblock on Wed, 11 January 2006 19:30
		Re: Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing By: Bob Brines on Thu, 12 January 2006 07:47
		Re: Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing By: hurdy_gurdyman on Thu, 12 January 2006 08:35
		Re: Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing By: Wayne Parham on Thu, 12 January 2006 08:42
		Re: Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing By: Manualblock on Thu, 12 January 2006 09:41
		More on old instruments By: Bob Brines on Thu, 12 January 2006 09:13
		Re: More on old instruments By: hurdy_gurdyman on Thu, 12 January 2006 11:06
		Re: More on old instruments By: Wayne Parham on Thu, 12 January 2006 12:25
		Re: More on old instruments By: hurdy_gurdyman on Thu, 12 January 2006 17:31
		History of musical scales By: Wayne Parham on Fri, 13 January 2006 09:25
		Re: More on old instruments By: Bob Brines on Thu, 12 January 2006 20:55
		"Something like plywood cabinets" By: Wayne Parham on Fri, 13 January 2006 09:11
		Re: Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing By: hurdy_gurdyman on Thu, 12 January 2006 08:10
		Re: Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing By: Wayne Parham on Thu, 12 January 2006 08:39
		Cool link Wayne, and esp one para By: akhilesh on Thu, 12 January 2006 10:37
		Re: Cool link Wayne, and esp one para By: hurdy_gurdyman on Thu, 12 January 2006 10:49
		Parameter shifts By: Wayne Parham on Thu, 12 January 2006 12:21
		I agree By: akhilesh on Thu, 12 January 2006 14:48
		Re: I agree By: Wayne Parham on Thu, 12 January 2006 21:29
		Re: Thought experiment & why sonic indistinguishability is not a bad thing By: akhilesh on Thu, 12 January 2006 10:40

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