Ping Earl Geddees! [message #18330] |
Thu, 15 December 2005 07:08 |
spkrman57
Messages: 522 Registered: May 2009
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I just have one question, "Why did you sell your JBL 4430's?" With the different designs you have had and promote, I am curious how the 4430's fell within the group. Ron (Current owner of your old 4430's)
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Re: The waveguide [message #18333 is a reply to message #18331] |
Mon, 19 December 2005 14:29 |
spkrman57
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Earl, Thanks for the reply. One of these days when I have time I will have to search out the systems you reference and look them over. Ron
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The A7's [message #18334 is a reply to message #18333] |
Mon, 19 December 2005 15:38 |
Earl Geddes
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The only speaker that I referenced besides the 4430's was the A7. This is the Altec-Lansing A7 more effectionately know as the "Voice of the Theater". It was a 15" woofer and a 1" compression driver, as is the 4430's and the Summa. The 4430's were an improvement in that the horn was axi-symetric and Constant directivity, the A7 was not. The 4430's had a better crossover. The Summa's are an improvement in that the waveguide is not a diffraction device - the 4430's are - and it has a foam refractive plug for even lower diffraction in the waveguide. It has a low diffraction enclosure which is also more solid than either the A7 (which were pretty flexible) or the 4430 (better than the A7. Finally the Summas have a better crossover optimized for polar response not axial response. So each of these speakers has the same basic design, but each of them uses more up to date technology and theory to achieve a better performance. If you liked A7's or 4430's you'd love Summas.
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Re: The A7's [message #18340 is a reply to message #18339] |
Tue, 20 December 2005 13:11 |
Earl Geddes
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I have not used Altec stuff for decades. I have some old drivers and horns for A7's if anyones interested. I simply don't believe in using old obsolete stuff. I like the newer offerings from companies like B&C. Extremely good quality at very reasonable prices. And I prefer composit plastics to wood. Why go anywhere else?
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Re: The A7's [message #18341 is a reply to message #18340] |
Tue, 20 December 2005 14:45 |
spkrman57
Messages: 522 Registered: May 2009
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Earl, How about a link to the Summa's you mentioned. The A7's I am already familiar with as I cut my teeth into high efficiency with them and then moved on to JBL with mainly my variations of the 4 Pi Pro system Wayne came up with.I use (Bruce) Edgar wood horns with Altec 902's for most of mine though. By the way, Colin is using stock N-501 8A crossovers which could be improved on. Regards, Ron
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Aspect ratio [message #18345 is a reply to message #18334] |
Wed, 21 December 2005 09:21 |
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Wayne Parham
Messages: 18789 Registered: January 2001
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I respect you and I respect your work. But I don't like axisymmetric horns, never did. They're nice for mathematical simplicity, and easy to promote as a purist thing. But I can't think of a single instance where a symmetric coverage pattern is desired.I much prefer a radial horn, maybe one of the other horn variants in your book would satisfy. Seems like I recall you mentioned a geometry that provides a rectangular pattern but that still provides some of the other benefits that you have worked towards in respect to reduction of high order modes and diffraction. The rooms in homes are rectangular, and the desired pattern is wider than it is tall. We don't want the sound bouncing off the floors and ceiling, energy there is a waste. The coverage required in a prosound environment is almost always wide, whether inside small indoors venues or large outdoor events. If axisymmetric horns are used, they are best splayed so that they form what is essentially a multicell horn. So since we're working with a rectangular coverage pattern, I prefer a horn with a rectangular aspect ratio.
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I can think of one [message #18346 is a reply to message #18345] |
Wed, 21 December 2005 12:47 |
Earl Geddes
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"But I can't think of a single instance where a symmetric coverage pattern is desired." Find me a woofer with an asymetrical polar pattern and I'll agree with you. To me MATCHING directivity, DI, power response through the crossover is more important having a narrower vertical directivity.
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