Buying a turntable [message #12669] |
Sun, 04 December 2005 20:15 |
Anonymous
Messages: 38 Registered: December 1969
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Hello! Two weeks ago or so I posted here about fixing my old 1985 Dual CS-505-2 turntable. To those who forgot, my turntable produced an awful hum. Well, I decided to buy a brand new one. (I am still going to fix my old one, but I want a new one as well.) I am not a DJ and thus I do not need DJ features, although I do need a great hundred percent analog sound. I really do not want to select it by brand and instead, I want to select it by quality. One of the most important qualities to consider is of course the signal-to-noise ratio. Another one is wow and flutter. I have looked at various turntables in local stores here in Toronto, as well as on manufacturer's websites (whatever I was able to find). The turntables offer a >60 to >50 dB signal-to-noise ratios (the higher, the better) and
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Re: Buying a turntable [message #12671 is a reply to message #12670] |
Mon, 05 December 2005 14:40 |
Anonymous
Messages: 38 Registered: December 1969
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That one is actually very expensive mostly because it has features I do not need. It is in fact a DJ turntable. One that caught my eye was a Sony PS-LX350H: http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=PSLX350H. It costs only about $200 in the US, which is about $230 in Canada. If I order it without a cartridge, it would be even cheaper. Although it does not have speed 78, it has everything else that I need. It is belt-driven, which makes it more price-efficient (or cost-efficient). Some people discouraged me to buy a belt-driven turntable, while others persuaded. I really have no idea which is better.
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Re: Buying a turntable [message #12673 is a reply to message #12672] |
Mon, 05 December 2005 22:31 |
Anonymous
Messages: 38 Registered: December 1969
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Thanks! I will most likely be using an Ortofon OM 30 cartidge. They seem to be the best, according to reviews. Presently, I have a cheap preamp, RCA AH500, that I bought for use with my old turntable. After I select a new turntable, I will be selecting a new preamp for it. I have read a lot of criticizm towards Technics SL 1200 turntables, and Technics turntables in general. Nonetheless, I do believe that they are great. I do not believe that their price is in any way proportional to their quality of sound. QUALITY OF SOUND, AS I KNOW, DEPENDS MOSTLY ON THE CARTRIDGE AND THE STYLUS, as well as on the record. I know about Thorens as well. Many positive things have been said about it. I am not trying to save on sound quality. I want to save on features that I will never be using. DJ turntables offer a lot of them and are therefore expensive, while the sound quality (if it even depends on the turntable itself) could be the same as on a cheaper non-DJ model. I went to a Sony store today. They did not have the model I talked about, only a cheap one. Seems to me that this model is not available here in Canada. I keep looking and reading reviews...
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Re: Buying a turntable [message #12674 is a reply to message #12673] |
Tue, 06 December 2005 06:48 |
Manualblock
Messages: 4973 Registered: May 2009
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Well; it appears you are serious. So let me say that there is a way to approach the vinyl playback scheme that makes sense. First up; what do you need to make good sound come out of a turntable. One; absolute speed stability. That influences pitch and detail retrieval. One of the reasons we encourage the Technics tables because they are very pitch stable. Why is that? Because the huge company behind them can offer very tightly speced motors and drive systems due to economies of scale. Next you must find a way to drain excess energy from the suspension. Two ways to do that; large mass or carefull attention to materials. Both are costly to implement. A superlight weight table will not perform well period. If you go into the store and pick up that table; it should be real heavy. Next you need a suspension that puts the resonance of the table below audibility. You can use mass or springs. The techinics use mass but most belt-drive suspended tables use springs. Either implementation works well if well designed. The arm must hold the cartridge as fixed and rigid in perfect alignment with the groove. It must have very little resistance to motion in the lateral and horizontal plane; yet be very rigidly mounted and aligned. That requires expensive bearings of high quality. The arm must also be inert to resonances which requires expensive materials and closs tolerance engineering. The Technics arm is not the best arm; but it has very good bearings and is well mounted to the table. There are many other well designed arms; and they start at around 300$ for something like a Rega RB 300. Next; the arm must be compatible with your cartridge. In other words the cartridge has a compliance wich measures the springyness of the stylus. If you use a arm that does not work well with that cartridge you risk bringing the tonearm-cartridge resonances up into the audible band. Thats bad. The Technics has a medium mass arm that works well with many of the modern low compliance cartridges. Thats why we recommend it; because it does all the good things for very little money comparitively. The Sony you mention will have poor bearings; both main and arm. Tha arm will have resonances that are audible and may not be compatible with your cartridge. Why do I say that? Because it cannot be done; to build a table with adequate engineering for under 350$ including arm. Remmember; the Technics has a very high quality motor unit that includes a very accurate pitch control adjustment. The arm is designed to work with that table and the plinth is massive and well damped. Those attributes are hard to find in a cheap table. Do tables exist for less money that are decent? Sure, there are a couple 300 tables around that are good but then you must purchase an arm; or if they come with the arm, it is marginal at best.There is a lot more info that can be expressed about turntables. We could write a book here. So I just offered an explanation of why I picked that table as a recommendation in order to keep the post short and simple. Feel free to ask anything about tables you want and good luck.
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Re: Buying a turntable [message #12675 is a reply to message #12674] |
Tue, 06 December 2005 16:58 |
Anonymous
Messages: 38 Registered: December 1969
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Thanks, manualblock! Good to hear from an expert. Of course, the Technics we are talking is THE best turntable the world knows, no doubt about it. Sony, perhaps, is the second or third best. I have been thinking about a lot of turntables, but only Technics and Sony have been taken seriously. The key difference between the two is the drive type. Technics is direct-drive and Sony (like my old Dual, that we talked about earlier) is belt-drive. One advantage of a direct-drive turntable is that motor speed is electronically and therefore more effectively maintained. Although belt-drive is more price-efficient, I am almost ready to pay a lot for good sound. Your explanation has made me be more interested in the Technics model. A lot of electronics and record stores sell them, both new and used. A lot of used ones are in great condition (I am talking about those that were not used by DJs), but could cost 30-40% less than new. That would be a great deal. Let me see...
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Re: Buying a turntable [message #12678 is a reply to message #12676] |
Wed, 07 December 2005 15:21 |
Anonymous
Messages: 38 Registered: December 1969
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Baron |
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Well, it seems that Technics SL 1200 is the best choice, but is there any difference between MK2/MK2PK, M5G and 1200MK5/1210MK5 versions, in terms of sound quality? I was able to find those online; the specs are nearly the same, but that does not speak of quality. Also, do you know what kind of cartidge is standard on Technics SL 1200 and what is its value? "CD is if you listen to music; while vinyl is if you love music." – absolutely true! Thanks!
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