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Mass and tonearm geometry/Empire [message #12213] Sun, 05 June 2005 11:20 Go to next message
Manualblock is currently offline  Manualblock
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Say Wayne; I remmembered your post concerning the mass of the tonearm and any effects it has on tracking the groove. The compliance of the stylus is only part of the story; no? Does the spring action of the stylus decouple the arm from the stylus/arm/groove system?
Lateral force is exerted by the groove rotating against the stylus that must move this mass of the arm; is that correct?


Re: Mass and tonearm geometry/Empire [message #12216 is a reply to message #12213] Sun, 05 June 2005 22:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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If you mean the movement required to bring the arm inward towards the center of the record, yes, tone arm mass comes into play there. But it is a very slow movement, and acceleration is almost zero because the speed is constant. I would expect the force to overcome friction would be greater, and with good bearings, it is pretty small too.


Re: Mass and tonearm geometry/Empire [message #12217 is a reply to message #12216] Mon, 06 June 2005 06:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah; thats a point but also during the tracing of the groove the stylus compliance is exceeded periodically due to groove modulation and as a result the arm must respond to that exception. If it is too massive for the stylus; would that not have a negative effect causing groove damage?
Whats your take on that?

Re: Mass and tonearm geometry/Empire [message #12221 is a reply to message #12217] Mon, 06 June 2005 14:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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I can see what you mean; When a record is warped or off-center, then the tone arm moves to track the groove. So that would create more force on the groove and also make a very low frequency audio component. We've all seen the low frequency part - woofer flutter. It might also cause increased record wear from some tone arms.


Re: Mass and tonearm geometry/Empire [message #12222 is a reply to message #12221] Mon, 06 June 2005 15:19 Go to previous message
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Agreed; considering the lateral tracking error built into all tonearm geometry the potential for damage may be pretty serious.
Still mulling this over but as of now I would suggest following the lowcompliance massive arm rule.

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