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Pyle W820's in a one Pi alignment [message #33595] Wed, 25 July 2001 21:57 Go to next message
BobCat is currently offline  BobCat
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Hi Wayne,

I uncovered from storage a very nice pair of Pyle model W820 8" woofers. Would they work in a One Pi alignment? I have enclosed factory specs. I am not sure of the upper limit of these drivers, but they sound very decent even unenclosed.

W820
Fs = 56 Hz
Vas = 1.27 cu.ft.
Qts = .481
Qms = 7.839
Qes = .512
Zmin = 6.80
SPL = 92.6 dB
Xmax = .125"

Vented
Vb = .75 cu.ft.
Port Diameter = 3 inch
Port length = 4 inch
Fb = 56 Hz

Sealed
Vb = .75 cu.ft.
Fc = 89 hz

What would you do for "crossover"? What size box and port?

Many thanks,
BobCat

Re: Pyle W820's in a one Pi alignment [message #33596 is a reply to message #33595] Wed, 25 July 2001 22:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Paul C. is currently offline  Paul C.
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BobCat: I have two different sets of numbers for these, from the mid 80's to early '90's. I am away from home now, but give me a week, and I can dig up Le and Re for you, too. That is, Le = voice coil inductance, and Re = dc resistance.

Also, Pyle had sheets of suggested boxes... but I find running the numbers through BoxPlot gives more and better possibilities.

Oh, to interpret those numbers, W820... the W series was a pro audio woofer, and 820...8" dia with a 20 oz magnet.

Re: Pyle W820's in a one Pi alignment [message #33600 is a reply to message #33595] Thu, 26 July 2001 01:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parham is currently offline  Wayne Parham
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PiAlign recommends a cabinet having the following specifications:

Internal volume = 0.65 cubic feet
Port diameter = 1.4 inches
Port length = 1.5 inches

I've calculated some volume offsets using CSG:

Woofer - 47.5 cubic inches
Cone - 8" dia, 2" long - 33.5 cubic inches
Cylinder (magnet) - 3" dia, 2" long - 14 cubic inches

Tweeter - 5 cubic inches
Cone - 3" dia, 2" long

Port - 2.5 cubic inches

1" Fiberglass insulation (calculated at 1/4 thickness, to compensate for compression volume)
Side - 16" x 7" x 0.25" - 28 cubic inches
Bottom - 10" x 7" x 0.25 - 17.5 cubic inches
Back - 16" x 10" x 0.25" - 40 cubic inches

Total displacement: 188 cubic inches (Enter into one of the offset fields, either LFD or "other")

Internal cabinet dimensions:

Height - 16.4 inches
Width - 10.9 inches
Depth - 7.3 inches

I would reccomend 5/8" wood stock, so add 5/8th inch twice, or 1.25 inches to each dimension. (Enter 1.25 into the "wood size" field)

Final analysis:

Height - 17 5/8"
Width - 12 3/16"
Depth - 8 1/2"

Port is 1.4" diameter and 1.5" long. You may substitute a 1 1/2" diameter port that's 2" long since 1.4" diameter (1 7/16ths) will be hard to find.

Let us know how your speaker sounds. It looks like it will probably work out very nicely!

Pyle T-S sheets [message #33601 is a reply to message #33600] Thu, 26 July 2001 08:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Paul C. is currently offline  Paul C.
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Wayne: The sheets I have list most of the Pyle woofers from the mid 80' into the early 90's. I obtained these directly from Pyle. I will scan and email to you ASAP, for your data archive.

The other sheet, filled out by hand, from Pyle, lists suggested box sizes, sometimes both ported and sealed are give. Also suggested LxWxD. Port sizes are given. These are sort of cookbook style practical size boxes.

I found Pyle, at that time, very good about sending response graphs and any other data I asked for. Also answering application questions.

While much of their line does not meet my needs (mostly car stereo now) their pro audio line of PYMxxxx series of woofers are excellent, economical woofers. About the same bang for the buck as the Eminence woofers. But I find the Pyles many times yield good performance in better sized boxes than most of the Eminence woofers. Perhaps I put too much stress on box sizes I can move around (portable PA gear).

Re: Pyle T-S sheets [message #33605 is a reply to message #33601] Thu, 26 July 2001 18:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Good information, Paul, thanks! Sounds promising.
Here are TS para from Pyle [message #33620 is a reply to message #33605] Tue, 31 July 2001 11:36 Go to previous message
Paul C. is currently offline  Paul C.
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Your woofer was formerly listed as W8C200F.

Fs = 44.1 hz
Re = 6.29 ohms
Z ohms @ 400 hz = 7.3 ohms
Zmin = 7.1 ohms @ 289 hz
Qms = 9.422
Qes = .345
Qts = .333
X lin = .150"
Vas = 1.7 cu ft
Pe = 70 Watts RMS
SPL = 95 db/wt/mt

Another chart received at the same time recommends:

Sealed enclosure .5 cu ft
Ported enclosure 1.1 cu ft w/ port = 2.5" dia x 1.5" long

Hope this info helps.

Paul

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