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items: Reverse attenuation and HF comp. networks, active X-over
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Reverse attenuation and HF comp. networks, active X-over
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description: Hi Wayne, I'm about 3/4 way done building an active crossover for bi-amping the 3677's I got from JBL. What I began thinking about is the HF comp network. Since it ends up being a bypassed voltage divider, I was trying to figure out what resistor values to use for a given compensation. If I need ~10dB of relative boost at 20KHz, starting above say 12KHz, it seems I'd need a divider with 10dB attenuation, then bypassed for a 3dB point around where I want the boost to kick in. Two questions. Using 10K ohms as the series resistor, what value goes to ground? If I'm feeding the output to the high pass filter, does it need another op-amp buffer between the HF comp and the HP filter? Thx, Chris
creator: Chris R.
date: 2002-05-21T02:30:01-00:00

Re: Reverse attenuation and HF comp. networks, active X-over
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description: The formula is dB = 20 log V1/V2, so you'll need approximately 1/3rd value shunt resistance for a 10dB attenuator. The thing is, you're doing more than just padding, so a resistive voltage divider isn't all there is to it. The crossover provides the traditional voltage splitter function and it also provides some response shaping. The HF filter should be slightly underdamped. Traditional 6dB/octave augmentation is provided for mass rolloff compensation, and the two transfer functions form a response curve that's flat up to about 4kHz, with 6dB/octave augmentation above that. I'd model your circuit with Spice, to verify it provides a transfer function that looks like this:
creator: Wayne Parham
date: 2002-05-21T03:34:46-00:00

Re: Reverse attenuation and HF comp. networks, active X-over
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description: Hi Wayne, I haven't decided if you're nuts or you deserve a medal :^). I posted the question pretty late PST and you still responded same night in a later time zone. Anyway, I'm not sure I understand the last comment about generating a shelving response before augmentation. I'm assuming that what we are attempting to do is produce a filter that has a mirror response to the published freq. response curves for the horns. To me, that means I need flat up to ~12K, then +6dB/octave (or more) on up. Am I missing something? Thx, Chris
creator: Chris R
date: 2002-05-23T02:17:34-00:00

Re: Reverse attenuation and HF comp. networks, active X-over
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description: This is what we want: Tweeter output from π passive crossover
creator: Wayne Parham
date: 2002-05-23T02:49:21-00:00

Re: Reverse attenuation and HF comp. networks, active X-over
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description: Hi Wayne, Maybe I wasn't clear. What I'm using to divide the frequencies are 18dB VCVS (Sallen-Key) filter stages. To control horn attenuation, I'm putting a balance pot circuit between the inputs for high/low (verses left/right). I was planning on putting the HF comp between the output of the balance buffer and the input of the HP filter. But now you're going to make me install spice or write a perl script to verify what you are saying. Seems to me that at freqs below 1/(2*Pi*Rs*C) (there's that Pi thing again :^), the divider will work more like a divider because Xc will be > Rs. Above that freq, the Xc will be less than Rs, hence provide HF boost. It looks a lot like the one used in your x-overs. Wonder where I got the idea. )^: Rs acsii art time: --\/\/\/\/\------ |___||_____| | || | C # # Rp # # | I got the filter circuits from an old Walter Jung OpAmp Apps book from when I was in school. Gee, I know the formulas are close, but I'll have to look them up AGAIN! Thx, Chris
creator: Chris R.
date: 2002-05-23T21:50:45-00:00

Re: Reverse attenuation and HF comp. networks, active X-over
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description: Adjust the Q of the high-pass filter, which would then allow you to adjust peaking slightly above 0.707, to around 1.0. Add a voltage divider with bypass capacitance. Then you'll be able to set the filter Q for a flat shelf followed by rising response.
creator: Wayne Parham
date: 2002-05-24T04:01:12-00:00