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Notice how they have dropped the word "Illegal" from the immigrant issue
Now it's "Immigrants Rights" instead of how to deal with lawbreakers.
Re: Notice how they have dropped the word "Illegal" from the immigrant issue
Yep, noticed that. Saw a minute ago as I walked through the break room that there was a group of protestors that were flying the US flag. That's a first. They must have wized up some and decided that waving the Mexican flag around wasn't helping much.
Yeah; that changed the following day after the first protest march. They are recieving marching instructions from hispanic radio. The DJ's are being coached by pro organisers. Thats why every interview you hear is starting to sound the same; thats the script.
They hit the streets here in Tulsa today. But every one of them was flying the American flag, so I guess that's acceptable. At first, I started feeling sort of invaded but then as I rode by I realized they all had American flags and thought if they're stand-up guys, maybe that wasn't so bad. I do wish they'd learn English though. What they speak in their homes and communities is up to them but I prefer public discourse in America to be spoken in English.
They are doing what they are being told to do. The first two days of protest you did not see an American flag anywhere in sight. That angered so many people; it is the reason for this thread if you read back. So the leaders spread the word to fly the American flag exclusively. That is how they are adjusting the message so they don't anger the citizens. See; it worked on you.
It's obviously an organized effort. I agree with you; I've been hearing reports about how some of the rallys have gone, with Mexican flags and upside down American flags or none at all. I think that's reprehensible and I think the INS should load up everyone in rallys like that and check their status, deport those that aren't here legally. But the one here in Tulsa looked OK. Good thing too - Tulsa didn't have nearly as many Mexicans 10 years ago, this isn't Texas, so we're not used to this sort of thing. I'm not sure how Tulsans would have reacted if the rally participants had not been respectful. They seem to be proud to be Americans here.
Are they proud to be illegals since they are breaking our laws. They are not Americans and that is the problem. The very fact that they think they can do as they please while the rest of us have to obey the laws. The honest immigrants who followed the rules look like schmucks now. Next; why were they flying the flags of their homeland in the first place? Maybe because they have no interest in America except as a big giveaway for health care and jobs? If they are unhappy with their own homelands; how about using all that political marching to change things there? And believe me; of course they are respectfull; they know they would be deported in a second if they weren't. This is political extortion and we should not be held hostage to people who don't respect our laws. There is no defense for this nonsense; I'm sorry if I sound harsh but let eight million people move in who have proven they don't respect our laws is wrong.
I agree with you completely. If they fly the Mexican flag instead of the American flag, I find that unacceptable. I take a "go back home" attitude. And if they're here illegally, then they're thieves. Again, I take a "go back home" attitude. But for legal immigrants, I know what steps they've taken to be here and understand why they are sometimes the most patriotic citizens.
Next rally you go by start yelling AMIGRA,AMIGRA (spanish for immigration) see how many take off running or see if a riot starts against us whitie's. Theres redneck boys around here that will kick there ass.
The real problem is this. Too many people feel bad for them. Funny because they don't know the circumstances of their being here. Many could make it fine back in their homeland's. But they couldn't own all the toys and clothes and cars. So they want to come here. They leave their wives and children and families; sometimes for years. How the hell can you do that? Why can't you stay and make your homeland better by working with your communities? How fair is it that they have driven the cost of healthcare above what American citizens can afford? How fair is it that immigrants who desire to live here from countries that do not have a border with America they can walk across sometimes wait dozens of years for a chance to come here. How fair is it that people with qualified skills and good work histories from places like India cannot come here because they don't have any family here; because family ties determine if you can immigrate legally. So the latino's move here then sneak their familie relatives over and then we have to accept them. If you have a car accident with an illegal; do you know he can sue you? Even if he doesn't have a drivers liscence or insurance or was speeding or breaking the law. How fair is it they can break our laws but we would be jailed instantly if we did the same thing in Mexico or Guatamala. But how really sick is it that we have hundreds of thoudands of Latino prisoners we pay huge amounts of money to keep in jail; while the Mexican government refuses to take their criminals back.
I believe that is the point we are trying to make. The legal immigrants have earned their right to be here and we want them to be. These people who are being politically manipulated prior to the november elections to protest any kind of immigration reform that doesn't allow them to break the law should be deported and right away. The fact that our politicians are allowing them to stay and flaunt our laws on TV and fly the flag of Mexico in complete disrespect of our hospitality are the real culprits here. The citizens must force them to make these illegals accountable for their lawbreaking entry into our country; then erect a barrier to prevent any more of the terrorists from sneaking into our country. Thats why sympathy is not acceptable no matter how well behaved the protestors are; they are no different from you or me and should be required to follow the rules. The whole schtick here is to make them seem so desperate to be here that we should feel sorry for them and therefor we should disregard our whole system of laws and let them stay. If people knew how many crimes are committed by illegals; how much money it cost's the taxpayers to support their kids in school and to provide them the free use of our hospitals; how much wages are depressed by their willingness to work for nothing; how many neighborhoods are in ruins due to their total lack of personal attachment to neighborhoods they don't really care about. There would be a hue and cry about the lack of regard for the taxpayers. I have neighbors who hire them all the time to do renovations and landscaping and such. The landscaping service that does the majority of the homes in my nieghborhood pays them 100$ per day. Yes they work 10 hr days in the summer. But in the fall and spring it is 6-8 hour days. This is not taxed so in reality they are making about 150$ per day if they were taxed. So much for the starvation wages they supposedly make. And where does that money go? Not into our economy thats for sure. It goes back to Mexico. Let one of these brave news programs post the amount of dollars sent into the Mexican economy every year.
As eloquent a solution as I have seen. I own a business, and would support the enforcement of existing and new strictures. It would dry up on its own. http://journals.democraticunderground.com/AuntiePinko/6
The real problem is the restating of issues in inviting ways that seem to simplify the debate but in actuality create false justifications. First an illegal in this country costs more to the taxpayer than his labor saves in costs. That is proven by dozens of peer reviewed studies in major economics journals. Second; once the laws are re-arranged to make it possible for illegals to stay and have the rights of citizens; without the responsibilities; all of those supposed cost benefits will evaporate. They will have to be covered by compensation if they are allowed to work here. They will have to be credited for social security benefits. They will begin to organise as aliens with all the benefits and almost none of the responsibilities that a citizen union or trade association would have. They would become non-entities regarding law abiding behaviour; if they broke the law, just flee to Mexico and Bam; we can't touch them. I am sure you can come up with lots more eventualities. Remmember one thing. Nothing in numbers stays flat; if they are allowed 400k now it will; as sure as you breathe be increased yearly until we are back to square one. As guest workers; you had better hope they don't get injured on your property; you will be sued big time.
Just try to get into Mexico on their southern border. You can't do it. Too many people want us to be another 3rd world country. Its the one world no borders crowd. I saw the ambassador to Mexico being interviewed on TV and he refused to say the word Illegal. I think it was on Hannity and Colms. Dan
THe US Ambassador to Mexico is married to the richest woman in Mexico. This happened sometime last year, and he should have been recalled, in my opinion.......Colin