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Wow Wayne, that's really impressive. Guess I'll make sure my grammar and punctuation are correct from now on. BTW, have you got anything on the new eminence drivers yet? Like, prices?
Yes, I've even brought in some of their new components.
Too late on the grammar LC they know us now. Say Wayne; what is the story on these new Eminence drivers; is there a 12" that might make a high end two way? Maybe I'll take this over to the HE forum, I have been waiting for a very high quality smaller two way for a while now. Something around 3cu ft.
If you're talking about the Magnum 12HO, it has been around for a year or two. It's a good part when used similarly to a JBL 2206. But as such, it doesn't hit the low notes. It's a midbass/midrange driver. Good for small monitors, surrounds and satellite systems, things like that. To tell the truth, I wasn't particularly excited about the new Eminence models. The HL10C has a small vent, and I don't trust it. The speakers using a shorting ring have changed too, and I'm not sure I want to design anything for them. Eminence has always made good bang-for-the-buck parts, but these new parts aren't anything I can get excited about.
"Too late on the grammar LC, they know us now." In other words, we are making fools of ourselves (politics, bad jokes, arguing, tubes & tantalum resistors...) all the time, thinking that there`s only you, me, Mr. Vinyl and few other "politicians" here... Never suspecting why Wayne is so "restrained" - he knows the truth!?
Listen by the age of 53 hard years I can say what I need to say and the world be damned. Like Popeye The Sailor Man said; "I yam what I yam and Thats All what I yam." And Damir; remmember; No matter what we never cut and ran. We took the best they could dish out. We ate 'em up and spit 'em out. No hang fire here. We beat 'em like drums; Blah; blah, blah. Pass that doob.
MB, I used some Magnum 12" not long long ago and they had a nice sound about them. I understad the Magnum 15" to be respected too.
Thanks Bill; maybe I'll run them through PiAlign. How did you use them?
3.4 cubic foot cabinet tuned around 30hz. also used a 2" coax compression driver for the mid and high. crossover points 800 and 6300. The driver works well down to 35-40hz but is clean sounding. Maybe you want a small subwoofer with it? Up to you but I have been liking a nice tight midbass driver with a subwoofer for a tiny bit of low end, over the likes of a single woofer that reaches the lower frequencies. I find more often than not the sound gets muddied and I would rather live with out the strong 20-35hz. I'm going to try some of the BMS 12" and 15" this summer and see how they sound. They advertise a triple shorting rings with Neo magnets and good specs. have to see when they arrive.
The Eminence Magnums are going away. So get 'em while you can.
You know it sounds as if you are not a happy camper regarding Eminence these days.
I think dropping the HL10A was a mistake. If you use a pair of them in parallel, you have a nominal 4Ω load. That's a good option. The HL10C is probably OK, but they had to fudge stuff to get the motor strength, and that required a smaller cooling vent. I'm not sure that was a good idea. Maybe it will work just fine in some applications, but I still prefer the HL10A with its larger cooling vent. And there are people out there with an investment in sound equipment using HL10A's already that won't be able to maintain their speakers because the part is no longer available. I had planned to make a scaled version of the 12π basshorn sub, a smaller, lighter horn with a pair of HL10A drivers in push-pull. They would use the same heat exchanger as the 12π too. This proposed 10π basshorn was to be something that would have been good for smaller venues. Where the 12π was a Top-Fuel Dragster, this 10π would have been Super Comp. Still an all-out performer, but smaller and lighter, for smaller venues that didn't need the oomph of the 12π. But I'm not going to go through that design effort for the HL10C. It is waaaay too much work to spend the time developing a good loudspeaker only for the vendor to drop support of parts contained inside it, so I am very glad I hadn't undertaken the 10π project yet. This kind of thing has happened before, and it is a major inconvenience when you have put as much effort in a loudspeaker design as I do. These things aren't one-offs, and they aren't a trivial design effort. I'm also disappointed Eminence decided to drop the Magnums. They're never going to sell as many of the most expensive premium parts they have as they do of the inexpensive bang-for-the-buck parts. But it's nice to have the good parts available. I always liked their mid level stuff, but I'm disappointed that they've dropped the Magnums. They've modified them in a way that makes them unworkable for me. I don't intend to design something for the new drivers they're building now, so that means I won't be offering a premium line using Eminence any longer. They're still great for the bang-for-the-buck lines, but I was hoping to see them maintain their high end stuff too.