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items: To Manual and Bill...
items: Re: The Numbers You quote do not include state and local as well as excise taxes
items: As they shouldn't. We are talking about Federal Income tax. Period.

To Manual and Bill...
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description: I'll bow out of the discussion now. I believe we have gone as far as we can with it. I have spent way too much time as it is. Got to get back to family. The way I see it is this. We have two arguments here. ManualBlock if I am off base on your part I'm sure you'll let me know. 1) (Mr Vinyl) The rich are paying all the taxes to run the country. The top 25% pay 83% of all taxes taken in. Doesn't matter to me what percentages of income this is. The number speaks for itself. I believe the rich are paying more than their fair share. Much more. I believe saying that the rich don't pay their fair share is nothing more than class warfare at best or Communism at worst. I believe that the tax system in this country is nothing more than an attempt at the redistribution of wealth. It's easy to hate the rich, but this is America. Everyone should be treated the same under the law. Making a small handful of people pay a vast majority of the taxes is not fair. 2) (ManualBlock) Even though the rich are paying most of the taxes they aren't paying their fair share. They are paying a less percentage of their total income than the middle class. They should pay more than 83% of the total tax burden because the make more than they are reporting because of tax shelters etc. Since we have agreed that it would be almost impossible to prove Manuals theory, and because he refuses to link to any numbers whatsoever , or even answer any of my questions, then what's the point? Furthermore I could careless if what he is saying is true. Regardless of the percentages, making the top 25% of the people in the US bare 83% of the tax burden is grossly unfair and probably unconstitutional IMO. How much more should they pay Manual? 100%? Regarding Bush and tax cuts. Keep in mind that any across the board income tax cut at all would be unfair to the liberals. I believe that the government is wasting more and more money. I don't believe congress will ever stop spending. The only way to stop spending is not g…
creator: Mr Vinyl
date: 2005-10-14T14:00:39-00:00

Re: The Numbers You quote do not include state and local as well as excise taxes
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description: When the Federal Govt cuts taxes the state and locals as well as Property Taxes to fund the schools since the fed cut their funding; repairs of roads and infrastructure because the Feds cut the funding etc etc; must take up the slack. The money must come from somewhere. If the Fed doesn't pay the locals must. Your figures do not include that so they are meaningless. The records are easy to find; the tax rate's for income top off at 35% which for the privildge of living here is not unreasonable. The top 25% pay 85% of the taxes is indoubt for now. Why should Capital Gains; which I showed you what percentage of the population make most of their money from, be taxed at the 15% rate while the working mans income is taxed at the 35% rate? And please; those analogies are very tedious to read thats why I stay away from anologous debate. Number's will do. The numbers
creator: Manualblock
date: 2005-10-14T16:49:01-00:00

As they shouldn't. We are talking about Federal Income tax. Period.
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description: I see you're trying to change the subject of the debate again. I understand, it's hard to debate something when you are wrong. So here's a tip. When you find you are wrong about something, admit it. Then you can progress to being wrong on the next subject. But lets stick to one at a time ok? You don't like the analogy because it's true. It shows the holes in your theory. I will also repeat "If you can't supply a source for your numbers then the numbers are not to be considered IMO"
creator: Mr Vinyl
date: 2005-10-14T19:47:15-00:00