Posted by manualblock [ 69.112.69.86 ] on September 07, 2005 at 10:29:53:
In Reply to: Re: 2 B A Drug Addict in NO posted by Wayne Parham on September 07, 2005 at 04:25:27:
If you are hungary and thirsty you better not wait for the national guard or police under this administration because as we saw they ain't coming. But then if you do what you must to survive without regard for law and order then you have anarchy.
I find the concept that the government we elect to ensure that these functions are provided has no responsibility to us as citizens to be so unacceptable that truth is I can't take that position seriously. Maybe thats the problem; I can't tell if you are serious or pulling my leg here.
Then you say the police are not here to keep the peace but they are here to control the population sounds like a fascist state to me.
If you are under attack be sure to know the law before you retaliate because you could end up in jail yourself. We have those laws and police to prevent people from taking the law into their own hands and the penalties for doing so are stiff.
The best policing in this country has been studied for years. Under Bratton; New York became the safest large city in America during the Guilliani years. His theories also were proven in Boston. His basic fundamental position? Each and every officer is responsible for every individual on his beat. It's called quality of life policing and it works. Maybe thats something you should look into; because your theories are so discredited that they sound archaic.
Cradle-to grave security? Not when you see half the country without health insurance. What Social Security? Study the conditions of America that brought the concept of SS into being. The great depression and how many thousands of people died of lack of nutrition medical care safe work envirenment. SS works and works well unless you think the very rich should get richer.
Have you discussed with survivors what conditions were like during the great depression? You certainly would not be working because the engineering trades that existed at the time were decimated by the economy; and there weren't many people buying audio with their life savings.
You think it can't ever happen again? The classic mistake throughout history because it damn sure does repeat itself.
I see a different America than you do; most of the folks I know work two jobs and their wives work. Their kids come home and take care of themselves because there isn't anyone home. They go to the HIP center for medical treatment because most of the jobs now do not pay for health coverage.
Cradle-to grave security? Where, the two percent of our fellow citizens that collect welfare?
Say; who paid for your education anyway; did you get any student loans? Grants? maybe. Small business loans or tax abatement?
You are obviously a hard working guy no doubt; but try putting in those hours with four kids.
My point; it doesn't add up for a decent guy like yourself to have these positions that are miserly and accepting of Governmental incompetence. You work hard; why should they get a pass? They have a job to do; do the damn job and stop looking for excuses.
I never heard you make an excuse for yourself; why make it for them?
I have a serious dis-connect with your statements here because I know what kind of guy you are and this position that the government owes nothing to it's citizens and police should not protect the individual and people should do whatever they see fit to survive; it doesn't gibe with what I know of you.
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