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Reports from LSAF '09 [message #59419] Fri, 19 June 2009 10:24 Go to next message
DRCope  is currently offline DRCope
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Gooood Morning, ART!

Having read the show schedule too fast, I arrived mid-afternoon Thursday and was ready to go at 5pm, leaving me 22 or so hours to kill before the official START of LSAF '09. As a result, I'm less stressed and better rested than usual, so I thought I'd start a report on the doins here.

To see the bare beginnings, (with periodic additions as the weekend progresses), check out: http://www.triodeandco.us/lsaf09

I hope to get to every room and add it to this report, but if you want to write up a description w/or w/out pix and send it to me at triodedave@mac.com . I'll add it at the end of each day, if not sooner.

Re: Reports from LSAF '09 [message #59420 is a reply to message #59419 ] Fri, 19 June 2009 15:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wow, Dave, thanks for taking the time to do this!

Your system sounds great, by the way.

Also want to put in a plug for Shane - thanks a million for all you did to put this together. Looks like we're going to have a great show this year! Norris too, sadly he can't make it to reap the benefits of his hard work. We're thinking 'bout you!
Seminars [message #59428 is a reply to message #59419 ] Sat, 20 June 2009 09:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Don't forget the seminars today:

11:00am - Crossover Electronics 101
1:00pm - Loudspeaker Measurement Seminar

Note that the address for the hotel is 13131 North Central Expressway (map), very near the intersection of I-75 and I-635 in North Dallas. The address shown on the Smith & Larson website is wrong, that's where we met last year so don't be confused. This hotel is much nicer.

See you there!
Re: Reports from LSAF '09 [message #59429 is a reply to message #59420 ] Sat, 20 June 2009 09:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks Wayne. Some of us have funny ideas about what to do with our spare time!

Your system is kicking butt and taking names, even at conversation-friendly levels this year.

I'd like to suggest that folks who are exhibiting put signs in their windows so people know they're here! In a walk-around this morning I could only be sure about 9 rooms on the 3rd floor. Are there people on other floors?
Re: Reports from LSAF '09 [message #59432 is a reply to message #59429 ] Sat, 20 June 2009 18:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks for saying, Dave. I appreciate that from you.

I have the exact same system this year I did last year, but this time I brought subs. Helps to smooth the room modes.

You know, This year I don't know where everyone is. Shane might. He pretty much arranged everything this year, I just suited up and showed up. Seems like he said there were 19 rooms this year.

We've always been sort of a loosely organized group, a grass roots show for sure. One thing we could definitely stand to do is to make some kind of pamphlet or sign that lists the rooms for the guests that show up. That's why I was excited to see that you had started listing the rooms and who's where on your LSAF web page. Seems like each of us gets here and sets up, then what's left of the first day we all scout out the place and meet each other. But by the time we know where everybody is, we're too busy manning our rooms to do anything about it. Laughing

Here are some photos, courtesy of Shane Moore and Jim Rivers:
Re: Reports from LSAF '09 [message #59440 is a reply to message #59432 ] Sun, 21 June 2009 09:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Another day, another indication that I need to stop assuming and read all the details. I just realized that today (Sun.) exhibiting is optional and checkout is noon. I expect this means most, possibly all, rooms will be packing in the a.m. and gone by noon. I read Sunday and stopped. So I'll be here playing music till probably 5 pm, packing in the evening and shipping out tomorrow.

If you haven't had enough music yet, stop by 306!
Re: Reports from LSAF '09 [message #59444 is a reply to message #59440 ] Sun, 21 June 2009 10:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm open and playing music in 314, but ony for the morning. I always ask for late checkout, and they've always been happy to oblige. No problem getting a 2:00 checkout, for any of you wanting to stay open for the morning.

A few names not on your list:

Classic Audio
AudioFred (Fred Thompson)
Audio Mirror
Re: Reports from LSAF '09 [message #59445 is a reply to message #59444 ] Sun, 21 June 2009 11:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I know where Classic Audio is. What rooms are the other two in?

Would it be alright if I borrowed the pix you stored in a directory for use in this site? (With credit, of course.) I'm obviously not going to be able to complete the photo rounds at this point.

Re: Reports from LSAF '09 [message #59446 is a reply to message #59445 ] Sun, 21 June 2009 11:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh, sure Dave, that's cool with me. We're all in this together!

About room numbers - Sorry, I don't know 'em. I'll bet someone will chime in and provide that info soon though. Right now, most aren't connected to the internet so it may be Monday before they respond.
Re: Reports from LSAF '09 [message #59448 is a reply to message #59429 ] Sun, 21 June 2009 15:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This is the first year of the LSAF that fast Eddie and did not get to see any of the rooms Confused , and it makes me really sad (wanted to spare the audiophiles the sound of two year olds tantrums). I am glad I got to visit, if only for a moment! Jim Rivers, I can not thank you enough for the music!! You are the Best Ever!! We are currently in the car on the way home, fast Eddie is passed out in the back of the mini van, we are listening to these cd's, I am on my iPhone and realizing just how effort and work you put into making these cd's!! You are the Man!! Happy Fathers Day to you and allthe other Dads!!
Re: Reports from LSAF '09 [message #59449 is a reply to message #59419 ] Sun, 21 June 2009 19:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I hope everyone had a good time this year? I realize we were a little short on the number of exhibitors as well. There were several that cancelled at the last minute. The New Orleans group couldn't come, for very good reasons, Maxxhorn decided not to display, etc....... I think we did all right, though, for waiting till the last minute to decide to have the show and the economy sucking. We found a venue that will treat us right so that is a start. We need suggestions on what to do to make the LSAF a larger success. My feeling is if we could have 30-40 exhibitors we would still be small enough to hear everyone, but not so large that logistics start becoming a problem.

Thanks to Dave Cope for lending me his flash unit. Gotta get me one.

Sorry to Steve Brown, who I missed entirely this year, AGAIN!!

And I picked up a new noisemaker on the way home!

index.php?t=getfile&id=26&private=0

Re: Reports from LSAF '09 [message #59453 is a reply to message #59449 ] Sun, 21 June 2009 23:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I thought it was a great time. Turnout was good and the hotel was really pleasant. I'd be happy to come there again next year.

You know, if you're a small niche business, then you have to invite customers to your shop or home to demonstrate your products. So when we all get together at the LSAF, we instantly get the opportunity to show to dozens or even hundreds of guests. Even if there were only ten or twenty auditions, that would make it worthwhile. There are always way more people than that, so it's worthwhile, not to mention really fun!

I was impressed with the sound of all the rooms I visited. Regretabbly, I didn't get to listen in every room, but I did go to several and all were sounding great. Here are some highlights, from my perspective:

1. Classic Audio

http://lonestaraudiofest.com/2009/Photos/ClassicAudio_03.jpg

As usual, John Wolfe was displaying gear that makes you feel like a Pavlov test subject. Instant drool factor. I spoke with him for a while, and the speaker shown above has a radial tweeter horn with tractrix profile on the top and bottom. Good stuff. The super-tweeter is also a tractrix flare. All drivers have field coil motors. And just look at that woodwork. Awesome!

There are lots of other great products CAR had on display that you should see - So be sure to scroll up and click on the photos page. Hopefully someone else will comment and link the photos in. I'm too beat to write more right now.

2. Crescendo Systems

It was a pleasure to meet Kim Beumer, who is local to Dallas. I think he is a good fit for our regional audio club(s) and I'm glad he found us. He definitely fits in!

http://lonestaraudiofest.com/2009/Photos/Crescendo_02.jpg

What was cool to me was those big speakers. Those are planars, and they do something I personally have never seen any other planars do - they have a pretty wide sweet spot. It think it is probably due to the convex curve of the radiator facing the listener. What makes this even cooler is these are completely DIY. My hope is that Kim will start making these as kits, or perhaps provide a forum to help people build their own, give advice and instruction and sell supplies.

3. Van Zyl Audio

I've known Johan Van Zyl for quite some time, and consider him to be a personal friend. He designed the BASSMAXX hornsubs sold by David Lee and the single-driver backhorns sold by Bob Spence. Each of these guys are good friends of mine too, all part of this regional audio family, so to speak.

So when Johan said he was coming, I assumed it was as MaxxHorn, even put that on the website. Not so! The speakers Johan brought out this year are marketed under his own name, and they're a moderate price offering (as opposed to the Spence price-no-object models). I gotta say, MaxxHorn sounds good, but Bob better watch out for this one!

http://lonestaraudiofest.com/2009/Photos/VanZyl_02.jpg

4. AudioFred

Fred Thompson and his lovely wife Linda are two people I always look forward to seeing. But in spite of their outgoing and fun loving personalities, Fred has one very irritating quality. He almost always builds really great sounding DIY speakers that put many of the commercial products to shame. Makes us speaker companies have to get up real early in the morning to keep up with this guy!

This year was no exception. He brought a neat little mini-monitor kit from Parts Express that sounded great.

http://lonestaraudiofest.com/2009/Photos/AudioFred_01.jpg

5. Audio Note

David Cope is a long time friend of mine that does a neat trick. He can be just as excited about a $4000 audio system as he can about a $400,000 system, and yes, he does get a chance to display both, often in the same month, sometimes at the same show. This year, he brought a system that's truly a budget model in the Audio Note lineup, and it really sounded great.

http://lonestaraudiofest.com/2009/Photos/AudioNote_01.jpg

Look how those components fit into the end table. Looks like it could have been made specifically for them!

6. John Busch

John is one of those guys that comes to these shows with so much random stuff, you're sure he could perform surgery on just about any audio gear in production, and even some cars and quite possibly airplanes. I mean, this guy really might actually have a kitchen sink in his inventory. No kidding, I had forgotten a compression driver + horn that I usually bring to do my Crossover Electronics 101 seminar, so the first thing I thought of was "call John".

http://lonestaraudiofest.com/2009/Photos/JohnBusch_02.jpg

This year, he brought some dipoles (no surprise) that sported a 15" midwoofer and a large format soft dome tweeter. These things sounded great, and had more bass than is possible from a dipole. Most people were looking for the sub, I, on the other hand, was looking for the voodoo charms. All jokes aside, it sounded great.

7. Jim Rivers

Jim brought a really great pair of Heathkit monoblock amplifiers. I connected gthem in my room and just loved them! Unfortunately, I needed gain control so I could match the subs and without that, the subs wouldn't integrate properly. So I couldn't run them long. It was indeed a pity, 'cause I really loved those little amps!

http://lonestaraudiofest.com/2009/Photos/JimRivers_01.jpg

8. Bob Brines

Bob brought his usual lineup of single driver speakers and, as usual, they sounded great!

http://lonestaraudiofest.com/2009/Photos/Brines_01.jpg

I will say that I like his Fostex models better than the Lowthers. But of course, that's a personal opinion. I think his Fostex models sound the most balanced.

Now for the systems I didn't see:

9. Keith Larson

Keith Larson brought his partner, Brian Smith, and they did a seminar on loudspeaker measurement and design. I'm a big fan of their work, and use their measurement systems heavily in my own design process. So I'm familiar with their product line. However, this year Keith also brought his own personal system and I regret that I didn't get a chance to listen to it.

http://lonestaraudiofest.com/2009/Photos/SmithAndLarson_01.jpg

10. Jumping Cactus

Now this is a huge oversight on my part. I feel pretty bad about it, to tell the truth. Jim Harrell has been at three shows in a row, and I've only had the chance to listen to his system once, and not for very long at that. That's a big oversight, on my part. We always chat in the halls, and Jim is a really great guy, unpretentious and always smiling. I wanted to stop over and listen this year for more than just a quick listen, but didn't make it. Next year, for sure!

http://lonestaraudiofest.com/2009/Photos/JumpingCactus_02.jpg

11. Brad Baker

I need to make the same apologies to Brad, who has been a good and regular participant at several of the LSAF events, but I've always missed him. I'm told that's the funnest room to hang out in too!

http://lonestaraudiofest.com/2009/Photos/BradBaker_03.jpg

12. Audio Mirror was here this year, and was also here last year. I've always loved the looks of their gear, and I understand it sounds as good as it looks. I really want to make a point to see these guys next year.

http://lonestaraudiofest.com/2009/Photos/AudioMirror_01.jpg

13. π Speakers

Lastly, my room. This year, I brought the same system I brought last year (four π loudspeakers driven with a SET amp) but this year I added a pair of three π subs.

http://lonestaraudiofest.com/2009/Photos/PiSpeakers_02.jpg

I was very pleased with our sound and got lots of favorable comments. Next year, I'll probably bring a similar system but may bring three π mains instead of four π's.
Re: Reports from LSAF '09 [message #59455 is a reply to message #59453 ] Mon, 22 June 2009 09:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm listening to ART Radio as I pack up the system. I think John Busch next door and I are the last men standing here at the show. I was actually playing music until 5:30 yesterday afternoon. More after I get this stuff off to FedEx, maybe after I get home at midnight tonight. . . .

A great time, guys! Thanks for the hospitality and friendship.

Dave
Re: Reports from LSAF '09 [message #59459 is a reply to message #59419 ] Mon, 22 June 2009 10:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Whatdya think about ART Radio? I really like it. But it does cost a few hundred bucks a month. If others are tuning in and enjoying it, I'll keep it going but if I'm the only one listening regularly, I might as well listen to CD's, shut it down and save the money.

Back to LSAF, I'll make a few posts with pretty pictures below, one for each room. Dagogo and Positive Feedback online should be posting reviews of the show pretty soon too.
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Audio Mirror [message #59461 is a reply to message #59460 ] Mon, 22 June 2009 11:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Audio Note [message #59462 is a reply to message #59461 ] Mon, 22 June 2009 11:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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